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Dawn

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I also agree with whiston. I have yet to see a missing persons case that their prior life was off limits. Parents even air the dirty little secrets - used drugs occassionaly - was once in an abusive relationship. This allows the public to know what/who to look for. Not just the all american girl ( which is whole other subject) a college student. The all american girl - comes with a price - a big price. We all know one - over achievers - they usually have the very low self esteem. They want control because they have none everyone tells them how perfect they are. So they feel they need to live up to it. They develop eating disorders - cut themselfs - one thing only they can control.. Not saying Maura had any of those. Just saying someone is the all american girl - actually is about the worst thing you can do for someones self image.

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Mar 20, 2009
 
Snowy White wrote:
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NO. again, you misinterpret.
No, I misinterpret.
quija

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Snowy White wrote:
stigmas are alive and well, folks, when someone...or two...pipe up to question whether or not Beagle has 'taken his meds' or he's just 'a paranoid schizophrenic'.
these comments occurred around the time of his presenting, in depth, his research about the 'egg harvesting' theory.
now, we can't have it both ways. the 'founding mothers' discounted his theories by virtue of a presumed diagnosis.
i defended him. the text is in Topix.
i won't be a self-appointed advocate for him or anyone here...but these phrases, in context, were neither compassionate nor, possibly, even correct.
i defended him...in light of this cruelty.
you see, the implications for such phrasing are not quite the same as .... oh go take your metformin (for diabetes) or, oh, you're just a whining diabetic!
no, we haven't arrived there yet. case in point.
hypocrisy.
peace.
Snowy! My gosh, you are right! You just said this so well:

"...oh go take your metformin (for diabetes) or, oh, you're just a whining diabetic!
no, we haven't arrived there yet. case in point.
hypocrisy...." [snowy]

Your last post sounded like a goodbye??? I would see it as a huge loss if you stopped posting. I take something important away from each of your posts --- see the above.
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#17414
Mar 20, 2009
 
Mr. Simpson asked that Mr. Keenan describe how each of the operations of Amherst Towing fit into the
business as a whole.
http://www.amherstma.gov/archives/68/FY2008-0...

1. Towing They mostly tow cars that have been left on the street or apartment parking lots during
a snowstorm for example, or that have been abandoned, but towing at the University is much
reduced now. They used to deal with 200-300 cars at a time. There are 5-6 tow trucks, 2 ramp
trucks, 2 salvage trucks and 1 large flat bed truck that are used for towing. The trucks are stored
in the front of the building or behind the gate.

Ernie's Towing and Amherst Towing kept the Zoning Boards busy with the need for added vehicle storage space.
Dawn

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#17415
Mar 20, 2009
 
Re: Towing - article is from Nov 2007. States they use to deal with 200-300 cars. Sure would like to know how it was in 2004
FireCat

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Mar 20, 2009
 
quija wrote:
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Snowy! My gosh, you are right! You just said this so well:
"...oh go take your metformin (for diabetes) or, oh, you're just a whining diabetic!
no, we haven't arrived there yet. case in point.
hypocrisy...." [snowy]
Your last post sounded like a goodbye??? I would see it as a huge loss if you stopped posting. I take something important away from each of your posts --- see the above.
As do I, even when--as is frequently the case--we disagree. If nothing else, you keep me honest and searching.:)
Dawn

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#17417
Mar 20, 2009
 
I would miss you too. We both agreed on one thing - we wanted facts - we both asked many times ...
Mason

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Mar 20, 2009
 
White Wash wrote:
At 1930 I reponded to doesn't state arrived!
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I agree.

911 calls come in to Dispatch and are logged in.

The log entry for FW's call is 7:27 pm.

Dispatch dispatches an officer to investigate the call and this event is logged in as an officer-dispatched entry.

The log entry for the dispatch time is 7:29:31 pm.

The next entry will be an officer-responded entry, which means the officer radioed Dispatch and said he was en route to the scene.

The log entry for the officer-responded or officer en-route time is 7:29:36 pm.

Next up is an officer-arrived entry, which is self explanatory.

The officer-arrived entry is 7:46:28 pm.

Finally, there will be an officer cleared-scene entry, which means the officer completed his investigation at the scene and now is available to respond to other calls.

The officer-cleared entry is 9:26:16 pm.

These log entries appear on page 18 of the Grafton County Sheriff's Department Log, which is posted on the other site. Per the log, these times refer to Sgt Smith's activities.
Dawn

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I can't stop thinking about the Gallery. There has to be a clue. Lets say for a moment - that hypothetical - IT WAS her at woodsvile - got in a car. Why was she there in the first place ? Why did she feel the need to pack her belongings - go to the liquor store and drive to the white mountains in a car that didn't work. If she did drive. We don't know. I think to get to the bottom of this - you have to know why she left and that brings us back to Amherst - where she made the decision to leave and most important. WHY
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Snowy
The Dawn on the other site is not me. I can't change my city - its omaha. One time it said denver which is where I route to. I really have no idea why it says Omaha.

That is not me.
Dawn

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when I posted it took me to the main screen and i saw paris name. So I went in there. I don't think we need to start a whole forum to talk about me... WOW.. unreal. I think that is in very bad taste.
Mason

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#17422
Mar 20, 2009
 
Page 19 of the Grafton County Sheriff's Log has an entry regarding Sgt Smith's earlier activity regarding a couple of snowmobiles with their lights out on Petticoat Lane. He issued a couple of citations and cleared the scene at 6:25:24 pm.

I can't tell where he went after he left Petticoat Lane or where he was at 7:29:36 pm when he told Dispatch he was en route to accident scene that FW reported in her 911 call.

The sequence of events and times reappears on page 19 and I see that I misread Smith's arrival time. The correct time is 7:46:20 pm.

Therefore, Sgt Smith's trip to the accident scene took 16 minutes and 44 seconds.
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Mason wrote:
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I agree.
911 calls come in to Dispatch and are logged in.
The log entry for FW's call is 7:27 pm.
Dispatch dispatches an officer to investigate the call and this event is logged in as an officer-dispatched entry.
The log entry for the dispatch time is 7:29:31 pm.
The next entry will be an officer-responded entry, which means the officer radioed Dispatch and said he was en route to the scene.
The log entry for the officer-responded or officer en-route time is 7:29:36 pm.
Next up is an officer-arrived entry, which is self explanatory.
The officer-arrived entry is 7:46:28 pm.
Finally, there will be an officer cleared-scene entry, which means the officer completed his investigation at the scene and now is available to respond to other calls.
The officer-cleared entry is 9:26:16 pm.
These log entries appear on page 18 of the Grafton County Sheriff's Department Log, which is posted on the other site. Per the log, these times refer to Sgt Smith's activities.
Actually, if you read more closely, you'll notice that there are TWO SEPARATE TIMES listed for CS clearing the scene.(I mentioned that on the forum, where it'll be easier to find what I mean)
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Dawn wrote:
Snowy
The Dawn on the other site is not me. I can't change my city - its omaha. One time it said denver which is where I route to. I really have no idea why it says Omaha.
That is not me.
Well, duh.:)
quija

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#17425
Mar 20, 2009
 
This is not important, just a curiosity and typical of small towns, but The Cottage Hospital website said that the CEO there was Reginald Lavoie. BUT... I finally produced a (useless) FACT!
Mason

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Mar 20, 2009
 
Two interesting narratives appear on page 19 summarizing Faith Westman's and the Atwood's 911 calls.

FW's call:

At 1927, Faith Westman called to advise of a vehicle in the ditch right on sharp turn after the Weathered Barn; unknown if person injured, but can see a man in the vehicle smoking a cigarette; was E/B on Rte 112, but ended up in W/B ditch facing W/B.

BA's Call:

At 1943 Hanover Dispatch called to advise got a 911 call for us; 911 advised all circuits busy; is for 10-25, caller at 2 Ammonoosuc Road, Butch Atwood residence [phone # omitted]. They advise one female, no personal injury, but shook-up.(Called the Atwood residence, woman advised her husband saw the crash and came here to call, but no idea where the female is.)

Difficult to believe the Saturn was in the W/B ditch at any point, so this entry in the narrative may be an innocent mistake by Rhonda Marsh who typed the narrative. Someone would have to ask FW about that.

The narrative of FW's call also causes me to again wonder about the location of the accident, which I've understood to be about 125 yards beyond the curve, according to Weeper.

The narrative about the Atwood call specifically states Barbara Atwood said her husband "saw the crash and came here to call, but no idea where the female is."

So, he must have seen a female at some point to later say he had no idea where she was, or maybe Barbara was referring to herself not having any idea where the female was. Why would either one say they didn't know where she was? Wouldn't Butch have said she's still with her car? Why would either of them have any reason to think she would be anywhere other than with her car?

Food for thought.
Mason

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#17427
Mar 20, 2009
 
FW didn't mention a woman. She mentioned a man smoking a cigarette. Apparently the Atwood call contained the first reference to a woman.

Both 911 calls would have been recorded and I'm pretty sure HPD would have preserved those recordings. If not, NHSP would have.

Therefore, the two narrative summaries should not be considered as anything other than a quick summary of the conversation. As we all know, quick summaries should never be taken literally, but these summaries do raise some interesting questions that we can't answer because we do not have and cannot get copies of the recorded conversations.
Mason

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Mar 20, 2009
 
I believe we can and should rely on the times listed in the log, as opposed to any other reference to times of which we are aware.

Unfortunately, we're disadvantaged attempting to pinpoint the SBD's arrival and departure from the accident scene because we have to rely on his time estimates. We have good reason to believe he has provided conflicting statements about his contact with the driver and his claim that he was a former cop is demonstrably false, but we don't know what motivated him.

Some have speculated that his conflicting statements indicate that he's concealing something and perhaps covering for someone else. I don't know why, but I do know that his conflicting statements and misrepresentation about his law enforcement experience raise legitimate concerns about his credibility.

This is not an example of bashing the locals. It's an example of a witness whose own statements have created a reasonable basis to question the validity of anything he said while wondering if he may have played a role in Maura's disappearance.

We still don't know why she disappeared and we don't know if she's alive today. Therefore, we can't draw any conclusions regarding the reason she disappeared. I don't believe it's unreasonable to suspect the SBD may know more than he's been willing to admit, but we can only speculate what that might be.
quija

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Mar 20, 2009
 
Mason, if Barbara made the call for Butch and the dispatcher asked her where the driver was, I can understand her saying, "I don't know." Because she didn't know. Because the girl could've gone to a neighbor's house, etc. I too might have said that. In a way, though, it sounds more like she was distancing herself from the accident -- like saying, "Don't ask me --- I'm not in charge of monitoring her whereabouts." Mason, I can't articulate this, but do you get what I'm trying to say? Thinking about her distancing herself from the whole thing makes me wonder about stuff...
Mason

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Mar 20, 2009
 
The accident must have occurred before FW called 911 at 7:27 pm.

How could the SBD have seen the crash, if he didn't arrive at the scene of the accident until sometime after FW's 911 call?

Why would he tell his wife that he saw the crash, if he didn't?

Could he have told her how the accident occurred and she assumed he saw it?

Did she ask him how he knew what happened, and he told her he saw it happen?

Did Rhonda Marsh misinterpret what his wife said?

A veritable menu of choices doesn't help does it?
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