Where is MAURA MURRAY

Dawn, I understand that. I just have seen no evidence or indication that it's been done.

We won't be shown that evidence until they close the case or a trial

Ok.. I DON"T think this is what happened to Maura.. However, it does show that familes don't always know everything about their kids. There a missing single mother - she had a nice house etc - can't remember her name I think it was florida - turns out she was a call girl. She went missing and was murdered. Her family was SHOCKED. Her friends were shocked - pta, school volunteer......

What I am saying here - you never really know

Then again.......... why sue the state and ag?

A few.

Dawn wrote:

Is there a rehab center close to Haverhill? I have had friends that had that done - intervention.

Blonde!
Sarcasm?
I only know what people have said about the strong ordor who where actually there!
You?

sophie bean wrote:

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Perhaps you missed the sarcasm. Of course, no one knows whether the bottle was there before Maura's car got there or not. The bottle, even if it could be proved to have some of Maura's DNA - and how would that have been established, precisely?- still does not prove that Maura was even there. My point is that claiming that the so-called bottle with the so-called "alcoholic smell" has anything to do with Maura's disappearance is a far bigger stretch of logic than many here have criticized.

Now you know what we SAW!

WELCOME TO OUR WORLD!

sophie bean wrote:

It's quite interesting that "likemindedness" which some applaud is precisely the criticism leveled (not all that correctly) at the so-called "FIT." Does that "likemindedness" is desirable and commendable only when someone agrees with your worldview? That's certainly what I'm seeing.

Odd Sarcasm didn't pan out so well for the FIT from what I can see nor is very Lady like!

sophie bean wrote:

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Sarcasm? Whatever can you mean?

ww - check your pm's

Dawn wrote:

I can't stop thinking about the Gallery. There has to be a clue. Lets say for a moment - that hypothetical - IT WAS her at woodsvile - got in a car. Why was she there in the first place ? Why did she feel the need to pack her belongings - go to the liquor store and drive to the white mountains in a car that didn't work. If she did drive. We don't know. I think to get to the bottom of this - you have to know why she left and that brings us back to Amherst - where she made the decision to leave and most important. WHY

I agree Dawn and why were we not allowed to pursue this question/information on MMM? Maybe there was a reason we were so strongly discouraged from looking at Amherst.

quija wrote:

This is going to sound unkind and provocative, but... What if Maura's drinking was enough for Fred to worry about? And then she crashes his car Sat. night. What if Fred decided to use "tough love" over the weekend and insist on bringing her to rehab. What if he tells her Sunday night when they talk around 11PM that he'll come to Amherst the following day (no-one will tell us his work shifts!) after, say, a 7AM-3PM shift. He gets there around the time we think Maura left Amherst. This is the way-out part: What if he borrowed a red pickup and they were traveling together, him following her, and she "escaped" by getting off a main highway and winding up dazed in the snowbank on 112. After talking to Butch, she pulls herself together and runs. Fred finally finds her car, but she's gone. He looks for her in his borrowed red truck.... and continues to look for her in that spot year after year... OMG, this is definitely a horror story. Guilt piled upon grief and self-blame.... I'm sorry for presenting this scenario, but it came to mind while "talking" with someone.(Today) it suddenly seems that Fred was there. And searching. And that's why he didn't call Cecil until Tuesday late afternoon...

There were things that Sharon said that led me to believe that Maura may have had a drinking problem.

White Wash wrote:

Whiston I believe said there was a red truck at the gallery so my guess is that is where the
truck came from!
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Very interesting.

sophie bean wrote:

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Perhaps you missed the sarcasm. Of course, no one knows whether the bottle was there before Maura's car got there or not. The bottle, even if it could be proved to have some of Maura's DNA - and how would that have been established, precisely?- still does not prove that Maura was even there. My point is that claiming that the so-called bottle with the so-called "alcoholic smell" has anything to do with Maura's disappearance is a far bigger stretch of logic than many here have criticized.

Sophie, I agree with your point about the bottle. We only know they found it under the car and, absent other evidence, no one can exclude the possibility that it was there before the accident.

Fortunately, Sgt Smith quickly decided to treat the car as a possible crime scene and wouldn't allow anyone near it. I can't say for sure that his decision rules out the possibility that one of the Fire Department responders didn't toss the bottle under the car, perhaps to conceal that he was drinking alcohol, but I think that possibility is unlikely.

Standard operating procedure would call for retrieving the bottle, placing it in a paper sack, taping the sack shut, and storing it in the HPD Evidence Room.

The bottle might have significant evidentiary value, if it has saliva residue or identifiable fingerprints. The area around the the top of the bottle from which a person might have taken a swig or two could be swabbed and the swab could be processed to determine if it collected any cellular material. Only a few cells are necessary to have a sufficient amount of DNA to extract, amplify, and type. The resulting profile might be from a male or a female, single contributor or multiple contributors. By looking at the profile, a DNA analyst can quickly determine which of those possibilities can be ruled out.

Assuming the analyst has a female single contributor, the profile can be compared to DNA profiles developed from both of her parents and the analyst can decide whether the DNA profile obtained from the saliva residue on the bottle belongs to a female child of the parents. If it does, that means the source could be Julie, Kathleen, or Maura.

Without a DNA profile developed from a reference sample from Maura, the analyst would have to obtain reference samples from Julie and Kathleen, develop their DNA profiles and compare them to the DNA profile developed from the saliva residue on the bottle. If neither Julie nor Kathleen's profiles match the profile from the bottle, the analyst can conclude to a virtual certainty that Maura is the source.

Alternatively, the saliva residue on the bottle might produce a DNA profile from one male contributor that can be excluded as a child of Maura's parents. They would run the profile in CODIS to see if they get a match. If so, they can identify the male who drank out of the bottle.

Another potential evidentiary source might be fingerprints, but the analyst would need a reference source of prints from Maura for comparison purposes.

If human hairs were collected from inside the Saturn, mtDNA testing could be used to determine if the mtDNA profile matched an mtDNA profile developed from a reference sample from Maura's mother or any of her siblings. mtDNA is inherited maternally so a mother's children will have mtDNA profiles that match the mother and each other.

Visual comparison of hairs using a stereo microscope has been shown to be extremely prone to false positives and false negatives. It should never be used for any purpose except as a preliminary screening test to decide which hairs to test for mtDNA.

Ok, I'm back and see so many posts, catch up time.
The movie that Maura liked so well was called Bottle Rocket. It's pretty funny if you have a mind for that sort of thing. I watched a trailor on utube and I guess I didn't get much out of it as far as any clues go. The movie is a plot between friends to pull off a robery and leave town, something like that. So big deal I guess. My memory of it was different or maybe it was speculation I read, who knows. But it was kind of kicky and here's the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

elsewherebriefly wrote:

My heart sinks whenever someone mentions or even implies the possibility of a book about Maura.
I understand that is is possible for Maura's family to register the rights to Maura's name, if they've not done so already, so no one can profit from her tragedy.

I have read a lot of crazy stuff on this forum but this is one of the truly most ridiculous of all. You are saying you want the Son of Sam law to apply to what? the world? all People? all writers? publishers?

We have lost so much freedom of speech in recent decades and now you are suggesting this? Thank God this country has not sunk to this level ie a police state.

If Maura's remains are found, that location including the earth beneath her remains to a depth of at least 6 inches should be collected and later sifted and examined for fibers.

If Maura was murdered by someone who was riding in the Saturn, or sitting in it and smoking a cigarette, fibers from that person may have transferred to the car and or Maura's clothing. Hairs are the most likely evidence to transfer from one surface to another and one person to another because people are constantly shedding hairs. Clothing fibers also may have evidentiary value.

I almost forgot, but cigarette butts are a good source of saliva residue.

Suzanne wrote:

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I have read a lot of crazy stuff on this forum but this is one of the truly most ridiculous of all. You are saying you want the Son of Sam law to apply to what? the world? all People? all writers? publishers?
We have lost so much freedom of speech in recent decades and now you are suggesting this? Thank God this country has not sunk to this level ie a police state.

If a book is ever written I'd be more apt to believe Maura's family would want the money/profits used for charitable reasons.

It would be greatly appreciated if you people didn't quote me (talk behind my back) any further. I want nothing to do with the forum and I'm merely skimming to ensure a-holes like you aren't taking what I've written out of context.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

My heart sinks whenever someone mentions or even implies the possibility of a book about Maura.

And why pray tell does YOUR heart sink? Are you not at least one step removed from the Maura situation? Do you not have "real life?" We here all have compassion for others but we also have lives of our own, maybe you should look into getting one.

paris wrote:

Ok, I'm back and see so many posts, catch up time.
The movie that Maura liked so well was called Bottle Rocket. It's pretty funny if you have a mind for that sort of thing. I watched a trailor on utube and I guess I didn't get much out of it as far as any clues go. The movie is a plot between friends to pull off a robery and leave town, something like that. So big deal I guess. My memory of it was different or maybe it was speculation I read, who knows. But it was kind of kicky and here's the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

I was just going to ask you to try to remember the name of the film. There are two films titled Bottle Rocket 1994 and 1996. I'm putting it on my tonight's Barnes and Noble order list, will watch it for clues, can't hurt.

The 1994 and the 1996 movie are the same, IMDB just screwed up.