Where is MAURA MURRAY

Mason wrote:

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How about a handbook, or website that lists all of the things a person should do or consider doing when a family member or friend is reported missing?
It also should contain a list of things people should not do..

Fred, check your PM's.

It is still amazing the lack of coordination between New Hampshire and Vermont. After reading the Caledonian on 3/19, I am confident that journalists at that paper can piece this together, better than the police. They have the archives, they have earned the right to know. Let's call a spade a spade. The location and conditon of the girls' cars are crime scenes. IMHO, they are identical abductions, done in tandem. How could the LE be so misled as to believe them both to be alcoholic runaways for how many years now? These disapeareances are only 80 miles apart.'tis a shame that Ayotte witholds from Mr. Murray. The people wont stand for it anymore. This clock has ticked too long. How could the cops be so fooled? And who killed Kathy Brunell, yet another death in the North Country? the timing of her death was so strange. draw your own inferences, I'll never forget the look on Brunells face. Writ large- inside job. Keep on Keepin on Columbo - don't blink.

M_Chaplin wrote:

http://www.bittenandbound.com/ 2008/11/25/maura-murray-cold-c ase-photos-and-video/ this would put her about the intersection of 112 to Lincoln and 116 to Franconia.

I'm familiar with the construction worker's story, but I don't believe it.

I'm reasonably certain he made it up.

Not sure why, however.

Mason wrote:

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I'm familiar with the construction worker's story, but I don't believe it.
I'm reasonably certain he made it up.
Not sure why, however.

In April '04, there were those who felt a renewed concentration of the area, given Maura's birthday and Cirlcle of Hope Ceremony being held on her birthday, coupled with a search that was announced in the media, prompted the CW story which changed the focus to 5 miles down the road.

Then the "new lead" press conference, and then nothing.

Was it a song and dance born from desperation?

How does a distance of 5 miles from the vicinity of the accident impact a search dog?

Oh so Fred was lying in the Cal. Record article on Feb 27, 2004 then since it's states they
hired and the PI's name which I don't have
in front of me but will scan it tonight for
the other forum!
The Murrays had every piece of information they
are suing for from Feb to April!

mcsmom wrote:

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There were never any PI’s hired.
Take what information from Kathleen? Test what? The computer. The Murrays had it for less than a month before the NHSP retrieved it. One of the things Fred requested and went to court for was a copy of the hard drive

Feb to April is only a month now?
Helena Murray also stated that the first
website was created by a family member
w/computer experience sinces if they
could create a website should be
able to back up a hard drive.

Wowzer wrote:

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Even if they had it for just a week or two weeks why didn't they copy the hard drive themselves or look at it? Or did they look at it and just aren't saying, because that would have been the first thing I looked thru if I was searching for any clue that might tell me where my child went.

Sorry I thought it was Whiston but could have been Beagle!

Mason wrote:

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I thought Beagle dropped that bomb.

Well Det. Col. claims to be on the case as of
March of 2004 one would assume he would have
instructed the family of what to do with the computer!

Hired or Not Hired!

Beagle wrote:

<quoted text>Maybe that's a good reason for not looking at such an important potential lead, but I think the average person would be puzzled by that lack of interest. I'm just saying that most people, IMHO, would think so little interest in the computer was strange.
But if someone - a PI, for example - told the Murrays to NOT go near the computer, then that might explain something.

So why don't your extend this same attitude
do LE or anyone else?
It's ok for only certain people to screw up?
Correct?

mcsmom wrote:

The computer was with Kathleen and Tim, they didn't own a computer and didn't know what could be retrieved.

Other sister is at West Point!
Odd Kathleen emailed photos of Maura to HPD
so she did/does have computer knowledge!

Suzanne wrote:

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Kathleen was in her third year at West Point and she didn't know how to turn on a computer?

And who killed Kathy Brunell, yet another death in the North Country?
She killed her self why isn't that acceptable to you?

twenty thousand posts wrote:

It is still amazing the lack of coordination between New Hampshire and Vermont. After reading the Caledonian on 3/19, I am confident that journalists at that paper can piece this together, better than the police. They have the archives, they have earned the right to know. Let's call a spade a spade. The location and conditon of the girls' cars are crime scenes. IMHO, they are identical abductions, done in tandem. How could the LE be so misled as to believe them both to be alcoholic runaways for how many years now? These disapeareances are only 80 miles apart.'tis a shame that Ayotte witholds from Mr. Murray. The people wont stand for it anymore. This clock has ticked too long. How could the cops be so fooled? And who killed Kathy Brunell, yet another death in the North Country? the timing of her death was so strange. draw your own inferences, I'll never forget the look on Brunells face. Writ large- inside job. Keep on Keepin on Columbo - don't blink.

I was reading some back articles
one states that UMASS did copy the
disk why didn't they give it to Fred?
Why didn't the FBI that was a family
friend tell him to make a disk?
They informed Fred to keep the car!
And he didn't!

White Wash wrote:

Oh so Fred was lying in the Cal. Record article on Feb 27, 2004 then since it's states they
hired and the PI's name which I don't have
in front of me but will scan it tonight for
the other forum!
The Murrays had every piece of information they
are suing for from Feb to April!
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Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

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Not to mention any names *CoughNotYouCough* there are times when I know that a person is smart enough to do something on a computer, but they don't - its really common. And I can tell they aren't doing it on purpose - they really believe that they can't.
Some people just don't want to break anything just in case "an expert" comes along later and they botched something up.
In one sense, this is a real issue - because deleted files that rest in a hard disk's empty space are over written as space is used, even to save temporary files and Internet Cashe, etc.
But some times I'll have a person tell me (in effect) that the believe they will break something under normal use and circumstances.
If I've known them for a while I'll say - I believe you can do it - but otherwise - its just too awkward.

Fine fine fine. Grep is my friend. Jeebus.:-)

M_Chaplin wrote:

No offense meant by that It's just that I have read some pretty nasty things on here about a family member ( oh my in St.Johnsbury ) seems to think they know my cousin.

You'll notice that OH MY stopped posting a while ago. And yes, there's all sorts of weird stuff on this forum. There's something on here to offend everyone. And that's unfortunate. Try to go beyond it, though, and focus on the other stuff--the stuff about Maura.

And by all means, correct any inaccuracies you see.(I laughed pretty hard at "you have a better chance of seeing god")

ScooterD wrote:

Wish I could have the brains a lot of you have - so many thought provoking statements! But I'll share my thoughts just in case something I write may make sense or spark a healthy debate re: Maura.
The supervisor suggests to Maura she should seek counseling the night of Maura's breakdown/mysterious phone call: I can't wrap my head around this. I'm sure we've all had an experience with family/friend that is going through a traumatic experience in their life. When or why have or would any of you suggest for this person to seek counseling? I would (and have) under the following: when the person was going through a messy divorce and she felt she couldn't handle the day to day struggle; and when a friend mentioned he thought about suicide. I don't think I would suggest counseling for a single breakdown--maybe if the person was suicidal/homicidal. When and why would you suggest counseling? For Maura's supervisor to suggest counseling that night seems drastic in the context of Maura was so upset after a phone call - even if she was bawling her eyes out and had to be escorted to her room. Anyone understand what I'm trying to convey? Is it worth talking about?

Scooter, I read your post and did not take the time to read the next 3 pages of posts because I had to respond now!(Low impulse control)

I too found this very odd. I'm not dissing Maura because I could never come close to being the person she is. But... I wondered if she did something at work, some kind of acting out -- perhaps taking something that wasn't hers, using a passkey, whatever. Way out thought (courtesy in part of a poster friend who I'll ID if (s)he wants): Could it have been her supervisor WHO WAS THE MYSTERY CALLER telling Maura that they needed to talk because... some irregularities in key use were found... maybe Maura couldn't work at that job any longer... that she was being escorted out of the building... and that she should seek counseling for her problem?

I'm not attacking Maura, because I'll bet each of us knows a friend or family member (or self) who acted out, was caught, and was told if they sought counseling the matter would not be pursued. Often it's with a young person when she is away from home (summer camp, prep school, college), returning after a vacation, around a birthday (when people can feel "cheated" or "deprived" or "deserving", even tho Maura's B-day wasn't for months). THIS IS ALL SPECULATION. The supervisor's offers of help were above-and-beyond that required. The supervisor said she considered herself Maura's friend. But Maura was not honest with her about having a roommate, so it appears the feeling of closeness was not reciprocated. So, after too many words here, I too think that something more might have "come to a head" that night. Maybe it was Vasi's hit and run? Something happened that started a LOT of activity. And I AM NOT SURE THAT FRED'S VISIT THAT WEEKEND WAS JUST FOR BUYING A NEW CAR --- THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMETHING BIGGER HE WAS TRYING TO HELP HER WITH.

sophie bean wrote:

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Bill, wouldn't you say that it's at least possible that this could prevent someone from looking at a less obvious solution which turns out to be the correct one?

Sorry, been away at a conference for a couple of days so trying to catch up. Like I said rule of thumb. BUT, for me to disregard Occam I need to have a couple of elements. First, Occam can’t fulfill the facts fully. Second the more obscure theory must fulfill the facts better than the simpler theory. The few things that we know can simply be explained by her crashing her car, likely with alcohol involved and then running from the accident possibly with her crashing her car minutes before that crash and driving from that crash to the second crash.

Another thing that I will mention. At the conference I was at, one of the classes was on crime scenes. The officer teaching the class was a patrol officer who had eventually become a sergeant and then moved into SWAT were he attained the rank of Lieutenant. I had asked him about the circumstances of Maura’s crash and his first thought on hearing the description of the scene was that she ran away from the scene probably with alcohol involved (I should point out that I DID NOT mention anything about the alcohol found in and around the car) and was not likely to be treated as a crime scene. I then explained the later circumstances and of course he was taken aback and at that point obviously he was thinking that it needed to be treated as a crime scene. This was not a small town cop either. So again, I don’t believe any officer would look at those circumstances and think that any crime (other than fleeing the scene of an accident) was committed. Having seen my share of runaways from accidents I know I wouldn’t.

Bill

White Wash wrote:

Feb to April is only a month now?
Helena Murray also stated that the first
website was created by a family member
w/computer experience sinces if they
could create a website should be
able to back up a hard drive.
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Doesn't necessarily follow.

The difference is understanding and using this:http://www.softpanorama.o rg/Tools/dd.shtml

vs.

Using an Internet Explorer Wizard, albeit FTP might be technical.

Advocate4 wrote:

3-1-06

Kmayotte posted:

I first wanted to thank Sharon for responding to Pike's comments regarding the supervisor who spoke to Maura the last night of work. I am the supervisor, as well as Maura's good friend, and that night will not leave my mind. Please do not assume that I did not help Maura, because reading the recent post was upsetting. I love Maura, and I did everything in my power to help her. I held her as she was crying, I walked her back to her room, I gave her my cell phone so I could bring her to Dunkin Donuts in the morning. Previous to that I had begged to bring her to a campus counselor, or just out to Dunkins that night when she got out of shift. She told me that she was okay, and that she would be going home to a roommate (which I never realized beforehand that she had a single room). After Maura headed up to her room I did call my boss, telling him of the situation and that I did not like leaving her in such a condition. I was unable to go up to her dorm room because my walkie talkie gear would of not gotten a signal in the tower that she lives in.

Pike also wondered why I did not call her parents...I do not have access to her personal information, and I was only friends with her on a work-related atmosphere. The next morning I woke up ready to take Maura to Dunkins, however I could not get in contact with her and I had a five year old son at home with a flu.

I hope this post allows people to realize I did the most I could for my friend. I love Maura, and it is relieving to read up on all the posts of caring friends and family.

Good Morning
Thought alot about this over the weekend.. I think Quija's post makes the most sense. Why the search has always been in that general area - they know for a FACT she was there. Something went terribly wrong and she did not act alone. With whom - i don't know. Someone knows and for today - I don't think it was the con mrder.

"Chaplin"

I do believe the truck was an F-150.Why?