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Mar 24, 2009
 
ww too .. sorry kelly

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There is a small lake called long pond about 20 minutes from the crash site but it's not that deep you can see bottom across the whole thing and you can't drive to it with a car or truck in the winter. A sled or wheeler yes, but most augers drill a hole big enough for a fish not a person weighted to go through. In fact alot of fish are to big to get through the hole they make.
Correct, most augers would not drill a hole big enough to pass a human body through, not anywhere near it. And not matter how heavily a body is weighted it almost always pops to the surface. Everyone underestimates the buoyancy of a human body when it decays.

Also the thought of someone out in the middle of a pond with a dead body (presumably at night) with the moon showing and the racket at night of an auger and them trying to pop said body under the ice after waking the world to your activities would tend to make most people feel a little exposed. Not how I would want to try to get rid of a body. Add to that the cold water temperatures would make certain the body would certainly survive intact until spring when it almost certainly would pop up to the surface.

And generally speaking the easiest way to check for someone in a pond would be with a cadaver (water search) dog in a boat.

Not saying they shouldnít be checked but it is highly unlikely that she is in a pond for a mutitude of reasons. Personally I wouldnít waste my time with bodies of water. We would know that was where she was already because she would have popped up and been found during those other searches.

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Maura and Billy met at the United States Military Academy at West Point where she was a cadet from June 2000 through mid-January 2001.
This is certainly very different from what we have previously been told! Maura did not complete her first year at West Point.
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I firmly believe her family knows more than it has been willing to divulge, but I've been willing to cut them some slack because they have a right to privacy. There are some non-private facts, however, like the name of the gallery where Maura worked that the family will not divulge. I am sure they know where she worked and I cannot imagine any reasonable justification for refusing to disclose its name.
I believe it's fundamentally dishonest, disrespectful, and unfair to Maura and all of the people who have devoted their time and energy to solve her disappearance, to promote continuing interest in her case by misrepresenting who she was while obstructing efforts undertaken in good faith by people attempting to figure out why she suddenly left Amherst without informing any of her friends and family members. behavior and it's absurd to claim that it is.
Which is why I was so pissed off at FC for telling me that the name of the gallery was none of our business.
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Mason wrote:
I first posted here on 11/29/2008. I began posting because I wanted to find out what happened to Maura. I realized the All American Girl Next Door image was a bullshit public relations stunt designed to create and sustain public interest in her disappearance. I don't require anyone to be perfect as a precondition to helping them, so I didn't care what she was into. I just wanted to help solve a mystery.
I firmly believe her family knows more than it has been willing to divulge, but I've been willing to cut them some slack because they have a right to privacy. There are some non-private facts, however, like the name of the gallery where Maura worked that the family will not divulge. I am sure they know where she worked and I cannot imagine any reasonable justification for refusing to disclose its name.
I believe it's fundamentally dishonest, disrespectful, and unfair to Maura and all of the people who have devoted their time and energy to solve her disappearance, to promote continuing interest in her case by misrepresenting who she was while obstructing efforts undertaken in good faith by people attempting to figure out why she suddenly left Amherst without informing any of her friends and family members. Legitimate concerns about her actions have been disingenuously brushed aside as normal college student behavior. Sorry, but suddenly deciding to ditch a semester of nursing clinicals only two weeks into a new semester and drive north by yourself into the White Mountains National Forest with less than $280 in a malfunctioning car that you refused to drive to your clinicals because you thought it would break down is not normal college behavior and it's absurd to claim that it is.
Fred Murray insists that her reasons for leaving school are irrelevant because she was abducted and killed by an opportunistic "dirt bag" who just happened to show-up during a ten-minute window of opportunity between the time the SBD left the accident scene and Sgt Smith arrived. I reject his opinion because the odds against such a person suddenly appearing at that remote location between 7:35 pm and 7:45 pm on a Monday night in February are overwhelming.
If Maura was a victim of foul play, I believe she was harmed by someone connected to her reason for suddenly fleeing Amherst.
If Maura was not a victim of foul play, she must have committed suicide, or she ran away and started a new life. I do not believe it's possible to form a reasoned opinion regarding which of these possibilities is more likely than the other without knowing why she left Amherst. Without the family's cooperation, I don't believe it's possible to figure out what happened to Maura.
Add to this Detective Columbo's occasional red herring intentionally inserted to refocus attention on Haverhill and we are faced with an impossible task. When I decided to get involved in trying to solve Maura's disappearance, I never dreamed that her family and its designated representative, Detective Columbo, would willfully, intentionally, and maliciously attempt to obstruct reasonable efforts by people with good intentions to solve her disappearance, but that is exactly what has happened. I do not know why they are blocking our efforts after they solicited our participation. I do know that I cannot continue to work under these duplicitous circumstances.
I walk away knowing that I can do nothing to help Maura, if she is dead, and if she is alive, the best thing I can do for her is to respect her decision, and walk away.
Fred
MASON A brilliant post! I most ardently recommend that EVERYONE on this forum read this post by Mason.

Combine this with yesterday's re-posting of Kmayotte's (the supervisor who helped Maura the night of her meltdown) and notice Kmayotte's concern for Maura's emotional health as being an ongoing concern, not just a concern related to that event on that Thursday night.

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Dawn wrote:
I should also add - Oh Many One - Beagle, Quija, Whiston, WTF, BF keep on digging..
wowzer - you make more sense every day.. olive branch. Hope you accept.
I think the we are closer to truth than ever before........ at least since I have been on. Making more sense too...
Itís a nice sentiment Dawn but the reality is that we are going to accomplish nothing here just like nothing was accomplished in the previous five years on these types of sites. Between not knowing what information is correct or incorrect. No new information coming forward, the disinformation that is being passed as fact, and the holding of information that might be useful. There is really nothing that I expect this group or the police to accomplish until some new information comes in. I still check every day or so but I donít expect to be able to do anything except try to keep some of the misinformation at bay. Hopefully something will break in this case and soon, but until then it will probably stay what it is, an unknown.

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Mar 24, 2009
 
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If Maura is alive and living a new life, we should leave her alone. It is very unlikely she was abducted by a serial killer in that small window of time. What was going on in her life, the trouble she may have been in, as before, has been hidden from the public for five years. There were family issues and if anyone says there were not I will lay them out right here. I don't want to. This was not a conspiracy, and this was not what the family led us to believe. LE knew this from, maybe, the second day, Tuesday. This is ridiculous. We have wasted so much time on a young lady in special circumstances who was not the victim of foul play (IMO) on Rt. 112 in Woodsville. This is a behavior and family issue.
I agree quija. And I can understand why many of us feel anger at being played. And factor into this FM's course and crude remark made to Haverhill LE about Maura's doing a squaw walk.
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Nobody asked anyone on this forum to come here. You came of your own free will and got involved and now you are pissed because certain info in unavailable, incorrect or being witheld from you. GIVE ME A BREAK..!

If you don't like what happens here, then GO AWAY and pout somewhere else. Why do you feel you are entitled to every bit of info that is out there. Yes, this is a public forum and you came here by some chance, but it gives you no right to be mad or upset when everything doesn't go according to YOUR PLAN. WELL GET OVER IT. Move on to bigger and better things if you like, but I am one lurker on this forum and a LOCAL here in Haverhill for 65 years. I am retired, but even at 65 I find lots of stuff to keep me entertained. During the winter I am pretty much in the house though because of a disability and while playing on the computer came across this site.

It is pathetic what people post here about the locals and the area. The world is a crazy place and stuff happens everywhere, but because it happened here in Haverhill now WE are subject to scrutiny.

I do understand although that this could be frustrating to all, but like I said You can always just go away. What keeps you here if you have no connection to the family or whomever??? From what I read here You all seem to get off on the family's predicament and harrassing each other. When I can't find anything to watch on TV or do outside I come here for THE ENTERTAINMENT FACTOR. Grow up people and come back down to earth.

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Dawn wrote:
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I too do not believe this case will ever be solved without knowing her prior life. It must have some important info or it would not be held a secret for 5 long years. The family does know her prior life - I feel for those that didn't know. Those close to her probably have an "idea' of what went wrong.
Maura - if you are out there - I wish you nothing but peace, love and happiness - most of all freedom from whatever was haunting you.
I agree Dawn and it seems to me that the family would like us all to pack up our bags and go home rather than ask anymore probing questions.
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Itís a nice sentiment Dawn but the reality is that we are going to accomplish nothing here just like nothing was accomplished in the previous five years on these types of sites. Between not knowing what information is correct or incorrect. No new information coming forward, the disinformation that is being passed as fact, and the holding of information that might be useful. There is really nothing that I expect this group or the police to accomplish until some new information comes in. I still check every day or so but I donít expect to be able to do anything except try to keep some of the misinformation at bay. Hopefully something will break in this case and soon, but until then it will probably stay what it is, an unknown.
Bill
I agree but I don't see any hope of any new information coming our way.
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Old Timer wrote:
It is pathetic what people post here about the locals and the area. The world is a crazy place and stuff happens everywhere, but because it happened here in Haverhill now WE are subject to scrutiny.

Art
Yes and my first impression of your area based on the MMM forum and on Shack's endless iteration of the three monkeys - hear no evil, see no evil etc was that the region around Maura's accident was a dark and sinister placed peopled by ignorant hillbillies. Why do you realize that a local dared to even say "what was she doing Here?" Causing Shack to launch into her rant about how the locals were blaming the victim. That's the first question that I would have asked because of natural normal curiosity and because I would want to put this missing person into a context to make her more 'real' to me.
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I do understand although that this could be frustrating to all, but like I said You can always just go away. What keeps you here if you have no connection to the family or whomever???
Good question and good advice. I ask myself this every day. The world is full of the most horrific tragedies. Why have we become fixated on this one esp. when increasing numbers of us think Maura ran away to start a new life.
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This area has it Ups and Downs and I have seen them firsthand, but overall it is a nice place. I love living here in NH, I am a local and will probably be here til I die. It doesn't matter what she was doing here, SHE WAS JUST HERE. Whatever comes of this We will all go on with our lives, some just a little sooner than others. Time heals all wounds as I have learned in my life.
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"Why have we become fixated on this one esp."

Probably because of the goodness in people. I hope this is the right answer!
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The MMM forum ie Helena Murray's forum was under the tight control of the Murray family. This forum 'educated' us to believe that Haverhill NH was a dark and sinister place when in fact the only thing that was dark and sinister is something that was occurring in Maura's life.
FWIW: Maura was at West Point for only 4 months - Sept Oct Nov Dec because late June, July and the first part of August were not part of the semester, they are Cadet Basic Training, or Beast Barracks, so her academic life at West Point was one semester.
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Hi Art and all ,I dont ' know why i have become fixated on where Maura is .When i first read about it it was 2 years and 2 months ago.I have to admit that early on it was the mystery of it and it soon became it seemed so very very wrong.I was banished from posting on the last MMM forum because i asked too many times about Mauras prior life.This just made finding Maura more important to me.If someone harmed her they need to be punished and secondary the mystery would be solved.WHY Maura left Amherst ,if she did is a major piece of the puzzle.Why her family has not chosen to make her prior life public is as big a mystery to me.I can only hope it is some part of an investigative plan by L.E.What that is i have no idea.I have spoken with many people in law enforcement and they all say the same thing with raised eyebrows,why would Mauras' prior life be such a secret.As ,i think Mason said it is as if before Feb 09 2004 she never existed.I have to paraphrase here but someone asked a while back,can we help find someone that attended a school and clinicals with no locations or class schedules being made public, went to an ATM but we cant' tell you where or show a video of it,went to a liquor store before vanishing but cant' tell you where or when.It really seems from what i have seen that Mauras family has been denied the same information,the question is why.Bring on the ducks.take care philip

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Suzanne wrote:
FWIW: Maura was at West Point for only 4 months - Sept Oct Nov Dec because late June, July and the first part of August were not part of the semester, they are Cadet Basic Training, or Beast Barracks, so her academic life at West Point was one semester.
Of course if this is true it is interesting also. I know I was led to believe that Maura was there for over one school year. At least that is what I remember if I am not mistaken.

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Thank you, Art for your voice of unbiased reason.
I'm sure it IS a nice place. But every nice place, no matter where you go, also has it's bad apples. I'm sure you know that. Some know who these bad apples are, and in particular the ones responsible for murdering Maura Murray.

For those of you who bitch and moan about some perceived slight by the Murray family, other posters or whoever, then I suggest you just go away. You're not helping any kind of investigation, FIT or otherwise. Don't read or post on this forum anymore. It's that easy. You're not helping Maura. You're a hindrance. A distraction. An obstruction to justice.
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Nobody asked anyone on this forum to come here. You came of your own free will and got involved and now you are pissed because certain info in unavailable, incorrect or being witheld from you. GIVE ME A BREAK..!
If you don't like what happens here, then GO AWAY and pout somewhere else. Why do you feel you are entitled to every bit of info that is out there. Yes, this is a public forum and you came here by some chance, but it gives you no right to be mad or upset when everything doesn't go according to YOUR PLAN. WELL GET OVER IT. Move on to bigger and better things if you like, but I am one lurker on this forum and a LOCAL here in Haverhill for 65 years. I am retired, but even at 65 I find lots of stuff to keep me entertained. During the winter I am pretty much in the house though because of a disability and while playing on the computer came across this site.
It is pathetic what people post here about the locals and the area. The world is a crazy place and stuff happens everywhere, but because it happened here in Haverhill now WE are subject to scrutiny.
I do understand although that this could be frustrating to all, but like I said You can always just go away. What keeps you here if you have no connection to the family or whomever??? From what I read here You all seem to get off on the family's predicament and harrassing each other. When I can't find anything to watch on TV or do outside I come here for THE ENTERTAINMENT FACTOR. Grow up people and come back down to earth.
Art
Your from Haverhill? Where abouts?
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Hi Art and all ,I dont ' know why i have become fixated on where Maura is .When i first read about it it was 2 years and 2 months ago.I have to admit that early on it was the mystery of it and it soon became it seemed so very very wrong.I was banished from posting on the last MMM forum because i asked too many times about Mauras prior life.This just made finding Maura more important to me.If someone harmed her they need to be punished and secondary the mystery would be solved.WHY Maura left Amherst ,if she did is a major piece of the puzzle.Why her family has not chosen to make her prior life public is as big a mystery to me.I can only hope it is some part of an investigative plan by L.E.What that is i have no idea.I have spoken with many people in law enforcement and they all say the same thing with raised eyebrows,why would Mauras' prior life be such a secret.As ,i think Mason said it is as if before Feb 09 2004 she never existed.I have to paraphrase here but someone asked a while back,can we help find someone that attended a school and clinicals with no locations or class schedules being made public, went to an ATM but we cant' tell you where or show a video of it,went to a liquor store before vanishing but cant' tell you where or when.It really seems from what i have seen that Mauras family has been denied the same information,the question is why.Bring on the ducks.take care philip
Very well said.......... The reason she packed - emailed - were all done at UMASS.. It was only by chance you spun out or was staged at weathered barn. To answer those questions - you need to now why maura left.
I am certain that LE has that information - maymbe not botching the cae - keeping it air tight.
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