Where is MAURA MURRAY

mcsmom wrote:

I hear static in the background.

Stop trying to think up more BS and maybe the static will stop.

Suzanne wrote:

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CONSIDER: Jennifer Kesse
Tara Grinstead
Brooke Wilberger
Three young women who were plucked out of their homes, condo parking lots, plucked out of their daily lives, plucked out of their daily routines. These young women had no pre-history of bizarre behaviour, meltdowns etc. They did not bizarrely drive a barely functioning car to a far off place on the Monday of a school week at the beginning of a new semester. Maura case is so very different from that of other missing young women.

And at the risk of sounding overly dramatic Brooke Wilberger was plucked right out of her flip flops. Literally. Her sister came out into the parking lot of the condo and found Brooke's flip flops. The flip flops were found where Brooke had been standing only moments before.

And your proof of a suspect is what?

mcsmom wrote:

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Then I guess the only suspect we have left to consider is Michael Jackson......

You saw him roll his eyes?

mcsmom wrote:

"The judge asked the assistant attorney general what was the percentage of bringing charges, and he [Senior Assistant Attorney General Jeffrey Strelzin] rolls his eyes, looks at the floor and then says,'75 percent.'

In any disappearance were suicide could have been the outcome an investigation would be needed and it would be treated as a criminal act until determined otherwise, likely by the pathologist or the coroner.

WTF Bingo well atleast that was the case with my Family!

Insurance Companies don't not look favorable on
suicide either!

WTF-the-original wrote:

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Not exactly. First you are correct that it isn’t a written law in any of the 50 states anymore. And the punishment had nothing really to do with the person who committed suicide. I actually didn’t realize that I had to write that as it would have seemed fairly obvious to most. But still “in some U.S. states, suicide is still considered an unwritten "common law crime," that is, a crime based on the law of old England as stated in Blackstone's Commentaries.(So held the Virginia Supreme Court in Wackwitz v. Roy in 1992.) As a common law crime, suicide can bar recovery for the family of the suicidal person in a lawsuit unless the suicidal person can be proven to have been "of unsound mind." That is, the suicide must be proven to have been an involuntary, not voluntary, act of the victim in order for the family to be awarded money damages by the court. This can occur when the family of the deceased sues the caregiver (perhaps a jail or hospital) for negligence in failing to provide appropriate care.”
It also doesn’t mean that an officer cannot force someone into custody because even thoughts of suicide. I have taken many a person to the hospital that the officer had given the choice to either ride to the hospital or go to jail because of suicidal thoughts. As an EMT I can have a doctor order a patient into my custody with police assistance if they don’t want to go.
In any disappearance were suicide could have been the outcome an investigation would be needed and it would be treated as a criminal act until determined otherwise, likely by the pathologist or the coroner.
Bill

She shoots and scores!

THE CROWD GOES WILD!

Suzanne wrote:

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Please cite examples of statements which you so cavalierly label as cruel, heartless and cold.
It's so easy to attack and name call when someone refuses to drink your brand of Koolaid, isn't it?
Now please cite examples.

What I am saying is I want McsMom to prove where Fred Murray has denied that Maura was driving!

He has not!

Given Fred's reaction to everything else LE have proven PROOF to him that Maura was driving!

Or he would be all over saying she wasn't driving or he wouldn't be so set on that area!

Sara wrote:

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He said Maura wasn't driving the Saturn the night she crashed? Or are you saying he said she wasn't driving as in wasn't driving the up to that point because the Saturn was not running properly?

Suzanne wrote:

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CONSIDER: Jennifer Kesse
Tara Grinstead
Brooke Wilberger
Three young women who were plucked out of their homes, condo parking lots, plucked out of their daily lives, plucked out of their daily routines. These young women had no pre-history of bizarre behaviour, meltdowns etc. They did not bizarrely drive a barely functioning car to a far off place on the Monday of a school week at the beginning of a new semester. Maura case is so very different from that of other missing young women.

One of my points here being that the above were CRYSTAL CLEAR abductions right from the first day and there has never been any doubt in the mind of any sane person that they are anything other than foul play. There is a striking difference between these disappearances and the scenario as played out in the MM saga.

And voices?

Oh you should seek help ASAP!

mcsmom wrote:

I hear static in the background.

White Wash wrote:

You saw him roll his eyes?
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I recognise that as a quote from Fred Murray in one of the five-year-anniversary articles. Can't recall which one off the top of my head.

Suzanne wrote:

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I agree.
We are merely questioning the "facts" that we had been force fed for 4.5 years on the previous tightly controlled forums.
Questioning the officially authorized party line in any authoritarian or fascist state is always frowned upon and often as in this case greeted with rage.

It is not, as you say, "mere" questioning of the facts. Questioning of the facts is always, IMO, a good thing. Your second paragraph indicates that what you are also doing is reciprocating and escalating the anger on both sides. What purpose will that serve anyone, most of all Maura? It might make YOU feel better (and I'm not just referring to Suzanne here) but what will it do for Maura?

http://www.angelfire.com/ct3/unsolvedct/homic...
For those who wish to check out other states like
CT and MA since they like focus on our crimes!

mcsmom wrote:

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NH's 100 unsolved murder cases.

White Wash wrote:

What I am saying is I want McsMom to prove where Fred Murray has denied that Maura was driving!
He has not!
Given Fred's reaction to everything else LE have proven PROOF to him that Maura was driving!
Or he would be all over saying she wasn't driving or he wouldn't be so set on that area!
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Ok, that's possible, based on Fred's reaction, but then why does the team of PIs led by Weeper feel that Maura wasn't necessarily the one driving?

Information we aren't given!

But I think Fred would be all over MA if she wasn't driving!

FireCat wrote:

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Ok, that's possible, based on Fred's reaction, but then why does the team of PIs led by Weeper feel that Maura wasn't necessarily the one driving?

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By ELISE CASTELLI
New Hampshire Union Leader Correspondent
Sunday, Jun. 11, 2006
Derry – When Pail Gaffney vanished after leaving his Derry home for work in Massachusetts last month, there was no sign of foul play, no indication of an accident.
Derry police filed a report, followed up on leads gathered from interviews with friends and family of the 43-year-old, and put out a statewide “attempt to locate” bulletin.
Gaffney’s wife and six children were waiting and worrying. The disappearance was out of character, they said, for a man “you could set your watch by.”
But without evidence of a crime, police said, there was little more they could do because Gaffney, as an adult, had the right not to return home.
Bedford police found Gaffney — unharmed, in his car — on May 30, four days after his disappearance. They told him his family was worried and he should return home.
He did.
The Gaffney incident typifies the missing-persons cases they run across each year, police say. But other cases — such as those of college nursing student Maura Murray, who disappeared after a single-car crash in Haverhill more than two years ago, and Goffstown teen Laura Mackenzie, who was due to appear in court on shoplifting charges when she disappeared March 8 — underscore the fact that New Hampshire has no standard reporting requirements or procedures in missing-adult cases.
State Police Sgt. Robert Estabrook, who handles missing persons cases, said procedure is based circumstances. If a person appears to have disappeared voluntarily and without having committed a crime, he said, the person has the legal right to remain missing.
“(Adults) have the legal right to up and leave,” Estabrook said.“I can see how a loved one would be concerned with that, but you have a right to be missing.”
In some instances, Derry Police Capt. Vernon Thomas said, the person who filed the report poses a risk to the missing person.
“We have to be cautious about the source of the report,” Thomas said
Erin Bruno, director of case management for the National Center for Missing Adults, said 99 percent of all adults reported missing are found safe — and many don’t want contact with the family they deserted.
For families of the missing, that may be hard to accept, Bruno said.
“In the family’s defense, every minute a loved one is gone is a minute too many,” she said.“They’re thinking the worst.”
As of May 1, there were 108,801 people listed as missing in the National Crime Information Center database, including 50,177 adults. Because the NCIC has certain criteria for entering adults in the database, there may be many more missing adults who aren’t included in the center’s statistics, Bruno said.
According to the NCIC Web site, a missing adult can be entered into the national database if one of the following criteria is met:
The adult has a proven physical or mental disability;
The situation indicates physical danger;
The situation indicates the person is not missing voluntarily;
The person is missing after a catastrophe; or
There is reason to be concerned for the missing person’s safety.
Unless the missing fall into one of those categories, some police agencies are reluctant to take reports on adults, Bruno said.
New Hampshire law does mandate that adults falling into any of the NCIC categories be reported to NCIC within 72 hours of the initial report. Federal law mandates all missing children be entered in the database regardless of circumstance.

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At any given moment, there are at least 70 to 90 cases missing New Hampshire children and adults listed in the NCIC, said Estabrook.
When the disappearance is voluntary, the reasons for disappearing may be as disparate as the missing themselves, Bruno said. It could stem from family or marital troubles, from abuse, from debt, from addiction or crime.
“Sometimes we don’t know what’s happened,” she said.
Thomas, of the Derry Police, said the nature of the investigation depends on the circumstances.
Reports, bulletins, and interviews with relatives and friends are the standard in Derry on adult cases, he said. Family members are also told they should monitor bank, credit card and cell phone activity on statements, as the information can provide leads to the missing adult, Thomas said.
Often the investigation doesn’t get very far before there is a break.
“Most (missing persons) turn up fairly quickly,” Thomas said.
But not all cases turn out like the Gaffney case.
Maura Murray remains missing more than two years after vanishing at age 21 after crashing her car in Haverhill.
Her father, Frederick Murray, recently filed an appeal with the state Supreme Court to unseal police records on her case. In an interview this week, he said reports from the early days of the case hold important clues that could be used by his team of private investigators to find his daughter.
Murray alleges the police are using claims of an ongoing investigation to avoid disclosure. In fact, he said, there is no active police investigation.
Bruno, the missing adults caseworker, said she would like to see national standards adopted that would require uniform investigation procedures for children and adults.
“If there is not clear evidence of a crime, it doesn’t mean the person was not a victim; there is just no evidence of it,” she said.
One of the leads on Goffstown Police are pursuing in the Mackenzie case involves the timing of the teen’s disappearance: the same day as her scheduled court date. Nevertheless, Goffstown Police Detective Kevin Laroche told the New Hampshire Union Leader, the case is “baffling.”
Laroche said a yearbook message Mackenzie wrote last fall sounded like much of what she had written in diaries and poetry, and seemed to forecast her disappearance. But, he added, it was so long before Mackenzie actually disappeared,“We still think it was the arrest that made her run.”
What exactly made Gaffney run, the family hasn’t said definitively. On the day he returned his daughter Pauline said,“We’re just happy to have him home and want to spend as much time with him as possible.”
For many families of the still missing that is all they want.

Well Fred didn't get what he wanted so a statement
that is no surprise!

And before ALL ATTACK I want to make it CLEAR I
don't believe MAURA should be missing but BEATING
THE CRAP OUT OF THIS AREA HASN'T WORKED!

FireCat wrote:

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I recognise that as a quote from Fred Murray in one of the five-year-anniversary articles. Can't recall which one off the top of my head.

White Wash wrote:

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Yep, that was the other thing I ws going to mention but forgot. Insurance companies don't pay our for suicide in almost all cases. It can be considered a criminal act of fraud, though just so no one gets confused they don't prosecute the suicide victim. In a civil lawsuit the insurance company may also have recourse as well as criminal.

Bill

peripeteia wrote:

This morning I awake, and read the usual bashing of one another, and now see poor Maura is accused of possibily sleeping around, perhaps she is a kleptomaniac, suffering from mental illness, and what terrible people we were on the MMM forum for seeking the truth from an untruthful witnesses, and that no bad happens in Haverhill. WOW!
If law enforcement felt that Maura's disappearance had nothing to do with Haverhill or New Hampshire, they would have handed this investigation back to Mass. Also since it is a criminal investigation this says Maura did not run away.
I find it very stale the bashing of people and the demoralization of Maura and her family, and the protectiveness for a place wanting. It is what it is, and all the beliefs of people do not change the fact that Maura disappeared from Haverhill.
How many people who write here have written to law enforcement, their representative in the congress, assemblymen, mayor regarding this case. Yet law enforcement says they have 100 unsolved cases, and is looking at a cold case squad to investigate these disappearance and murders. Gee for such a safe place, seems like either people are poorly informed or not grounded in reality.

How many unsolved cases are there in comparable states?

Oh and btw, I wrote to the Town Manager's office (Glenn English) about the case, as well as the Chief of Police Jeff Williams. I wrote to the AG's office as well..

The point that it is a criminal case does not even come close to proving that Maura did not run away or leave of her own choice. As I said before, a crime could have occurred AFTER she left Haverhill.....maybe she wasn't even in Haverhill but rather the dogs picked up her scent from the bottoms of shoes from whomever was driving the car. Her scent would've permeated the vehicle and ANYONE sitting in it would've picked it up to some degree.

Read betweent he lines Peri. She had a troubled recent past, there were family matters going on that have not been disclosed publicly, and she up and left right after talking to her father and never said anything to him about it. Her boyfriend sensed there was something wrong, she clearly told him that she didn't feel like talking. There was more going on than has been disclosed. I am not blaming her......I'm trusting in her that she did the right thing to put that part of her life behind her.