Where is MAURA MURRAY

part 2
"12.CW was not running his mouth in the
stage stop. He indeed told his neighbors
who told him to call the police and he did. The wife told the store own who called Fred."
So CW was not overheard discussing this in the Stage Stop before he'd spoken to police? This is news to me.
"12.PI's had been hired earlier and quit why?"
I don't understand.
"13.People on this forum have proven over and over they can get a response from LE regardless may not be the answers anyone wants but they get answers."
Again, you can't call this a "bold-faced lie" - if you're saying that people who have called LE and have not gotten a response is a lie. You cannot know that people have NOT called LE and NOT gotten a response.
"14.People have smeared every person out there who came to help someone who didn't want their help. TFW,BA,CW
everyone from NHSP to the local deputy
have been accused of terrible acts."
NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE has EVER been "accused of terrible acts" on this or the former board. NHSP's Scarzina is GUILTY of SLANDER for his early statements about Maura. Are you saying that ANYONE - OK, except OH MY, who is rarely ever here, and has accused everyone in the universe of terrible acts, and is likely crazy - on this board has EVER actually accused anyone of harming Maura? I've missed that.
"Seriously someone who walks away from an accident that deployed the air
bags didn't want to be there. And many saw only one pair of foot prints!"
No footprints noted in the police report.
If she walked away, where is she?
I took this point by point because you trumpet your status as a "reporter" -and I've never seen a more confusing, obfuscating post. Half the things you state as "bold-faced lies" are clearly things that you believe to be true. Many of them are things which no one here is likely to know, so they cannot be "lies."

Suzanne wrote:

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Once again: Who trashed Maura? Cite your examples of Maura being trashed or shut up..

It's hilarious that you imagining your telling me to "shut up" (perhaps the more effective phrase is "SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE!!!") would have its desired effect.
But, of course, since it's "all about Suzanne" you WOULD assume that.

As regards "trashing Maura" - you're as capable of using the search feature as I am, and I refuse to do it for you - "drunk / suicidal / irresponsible / reckless" - make your own list.

Gentle readers (if any remain)- the double post of mine above was unintentional.

Less-than-gentle readers are welcome to draw your own fevered conclusions.

Hey Sophie, you said:

"Bold Faced lies. 1. Maura was asked to leave West Point." You mean that this is true. How, if so, was that proved and by whom? Who asked her to leave, and for what reason? I'm not saying that it isn't true, I'm simply not aware of it. Furthermore, what bearing does this, if true, have on the case?

I say:

YES, this is TRUE. It has been proven and if you make a few calls to your friends you'll find out it has been verified by them. Do you really want to see posted why she was asked to leave, who asked her to, and for what reason? It took a lot of work and a little luck to discover just this one "truth", and, yes, it makes a world of difference as to why Maura might have disappeared. This was purposefully not revealed to the public. This and other things show a pattern that LE might find to be quite unlike "taking-a-short-vacation " behavior. The public was spared these details and that made Maura's disappearance a bigger mystery than it probably was to LE. I am not putting Maura down in ANY way, just saying that she has imperfections as we all do that could lead to unexpected behavior.

Feel free to PM me on the other site.

There is a group on these 2 current MM forums, which I refer to for convenience/as a form of shorthand as FIT. They are the original core group of Helena Murray's MMM forum.
FIT has accused people on the 2 current forums of bashing Maura, bashing the Murray family.
Since FIT refuses to cite examples of said bashing, I can only guess at what they are referring to - Is it Dawn's speculation that Maura might have lesbian proclivities, disapproved of by her family? Advocate's speculation that FM might have sexually abused Maura? Ouija's speculation that Maura may have taken something that did not belong to her? I don't know because FIT refuses to cite examples of what they define as bashing.
Maura and her family are just normal, everyday people. They are flawed, they are imperfect, they have problems just like all families. FIT has elevated them to iconic stature, they have made Maura and the Murray family their religion. On MMM it was very nearly competitive as to who woke up the most frequently in the middle of the night crying at the thought of Maura and the suffering of her family.
If we are to examine the 5 year period of intense grief, mourning, obsessive concentration on Maura, we have to question:
Whey does this group NEED Maura to be dead? Why does this group NEED to have her dead as a victim of foul play? Why does this group NEED a martyr to put on an alter and worship. I suspect these people have a huge void in their lives and hearts and this is their way of filling it, which is fine, but it's unfortunate that they need to attack anyone who does not share their particular form of pathological need.
There are people on this forum who can look at Maura's case objectively, from the outside and see Fred as a father who felt comfortable using the heinous term 'squaw walk' in his first conversation with LE, people who can look at the evidence and have the opinion that Maura ran away, possibly because of a family situation, possibly because of an Amherst situation, possibly because of an intrapsychic situation. I don't know. No one does.

Again you are wrong as I never claimed to be a reporter just a photographer!

I have had some stories published but at the request of the neighbors in the "middle of no where".

sophie bean wrote:

part 2
"12.CW was not running his mouth in the
stage stop. He indeed told his neighbors
who told him to call the police and he did. The wife told the store own who called Fred."
So CW was not overheard discussing this in the Stage Stop before he'd spoken to police? This is news to me.
"12.PI's had been hired earlier and quit why?"
I don't understand.
"13.People on this forum have proven over and over they can get a response from LE regardless may not be the answers anyone wants but they get answers."
Again, you can't call this a "bold-faced lie" - if you're saying that people who have called LE and have not gotten a response is a lie. You cannot know that people have NOT called LE and NOT gotten a response.
"14.People have smeared every person out there who came to help someone who didn't want their help. TFW,BA,CW
everyone from NHSP to the local deputy
have been accused of terrible acts."
NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE has EVER been "accused of terrible acts" on this or the former board. NHSP's Scarzina is GUILTY of SLANDER for his early statements about Maura. Are you saying that ANYONE - OK, except OH MY, who is rarely ever here, and has accused everyone in the universe of terrible acts, and is likely crazy - on this board has EVER actually accused anyone of harming Maura? I've missed that.
"Seriously someone who walks away from an accident that deployed the air
bags didn't want to be there. And many saw only one pair of foot prints!"
No footprints noted in the police report.
If she walked away, where is she?
I took this point by point because you trumpet your status as a "reporter" -and I've never seen a more confusing, obfuscating post. Half the things you state as "bold-faced lies" are clearly things that you believe to be true. Many of them are things which no one here is likely to know, so they cannot be "lies."

quija wrote:

Hey Sophie, you said:
"Bold Faced lies. 1. Maura was asked to leave West Point." You mean that this is true. How, if so, was that proved and by whom? Who asked her to leave, and for what reason? I'm not saying that it isn't true, I'm simply not aware of it. Furthermore, what bearing does this, if true, have on the case?
I say:
YES, this is TRUE. It has been proven and if you make a few calls to your friends you'll find out it has been verified by them. Do you really want to see posted why she was asked to leave, who asked her to, and for what reason? It took a lot of work and a little luck to discover just this one "truth", and, yes, it makes a world of difference as to why Maura might have disappeared. This was purposefully not revealed to the public. This and other things show a pattern that LE might find to be quite unlike "taking-a-short-vacation " behavior. The public was spared these details and that made Maura's disappearance a bigger mystery than it probably was to LE. I am not putting Maura down in ANY way, just saying that she has imperfections as we all do that could lead to unexpected behavior.
Feel free to PM me on the other site.

So are you saying if the public knew some of this information, her disappearance might not be that mysterious after all? Because it is pretty damn mysterious from an outsider view. Also, do you think the public knowing this information would help solve this any faster?
I would also wonder if LE has ALL the information they need from the family.

Sara
Let me ask you this would you come forward
after seeing what has been done to those who
have come forward?

Sara wrote:

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So are you saying if the public knew some of this information, her disappearance might not be that mysterious after all? Because it is pretty damn mysterious from an outsider view. Also, do you think the public knowing this information would help solve this any faster?
I would also wonder if LE has ALL the information they need from the family.

White Wash wrote:

Sara
Let me ask you this would you come forward
after seeing what has been done to those who
have come forward?
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You mean as in a witness to something?
Yes I would come forward if I was a witness to something that could possibly help find her, for sure!
If you mean come forward as in having personal dirt on Maura that would not do anything to help find her then no, probably not.
My thing is, if the information has nothing to do with finding her, then I understand keeping certain things private. If information is being kept that could possibly help this investigation out, then I think it should be told regardless of the outcome.

Who would you come forward to?
LE or the PI's or family?

When you say dirt can you explain this?

Dirt like she had to be escorted back to her
dorm by her surpervisor who Maura lied to by
saying she had a roommate?

Or dirt like one her friend's said that when she
drank she was flirt that kind of dirt?

Sara wrote:

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You mean as in a witness to something?
Yes I would come forward if I was a witness to something that could possibly help find her, for sure!
If you mean come forward as in having personal dirt on Maura that would not do anything to help find her then no, probably not.
My thing is, if the information has nothing to do with finding her, then I understand keeping certain things private. If information is being kept that could possibly help this investigation out, then I think it should be told regardless of the outcome.

Suzanne, I am wokring a part day today.

Numero Uno - I never suggested she was havng a lesbian affair. I said those are the TWO reason my father said he would disown me like it or not. I don't agree with it. I have many gay friends but - he is from the south and i love him dearly but that is his backwards thinking.

So Numero 2 - Never my opinion.

White Wash wrote:

Who would you come forward to?
LE or the PI's or family?
When you say dirt can you explain this?
Dirt like she had to be escorted back to her
dorm by her surpervisor who Maura lied to by
saying she had a roommate?
Or dirt like one her friend's said that when she
drank she was flirt that kind of dirt?
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White Wash,
By dirt, I mean things that may be extremely embarrassing that have nothing to do with the investigation. IMO, your above mentioned examples are not what I would consider dirt by any means.

On the other hand, if it IS something embarrassing, but would help find Maura, then it should be told to whomever it should be.
i.e. LE and/or the family.

And this week - I am thinking she did take off - met with foul play or not - I think the answers are in Amherst - something in MA made her decide to pack up, with draw cash buy booze and drive to the white mountains. Not sure who she was with but I do not think she acted alone - in my opinon.. a little loopy today so not going to post alot.

Justice for the Missing.

The bill passed for the cold case unit - for 4 years.

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx...

Please bring closure to the familes

New documents on the MM site

http://www.mauramurraymissing.com/DocumentsPa...

What A holes - see where they misprint the "death' of Maura Murray.. I hope everyone writes that gov.. What a joke. Can you imagine as a parent opening that?? That is just trying to get to F Murray. Shame on them

I am back to having MAJOR issues with NH legal system................... what an error. good grief.......... the next letter came 4 days later - he could have been waiting 4 days thinking they know she is dead and have not told him... makes you wonder and that is just cruel.

WHITE WASH wrote:

Hey Sara,
Bold Faced lies.
1. Maura was asked to leave West Point.
2. Maura was upset that weekend and Fred's statement of "we'll work it out as we always do" proves that.
3.Maura took her car and drove it to the
White Mountains.
4.Maura was drinking DNA from the air bags will prove this.
5.Maura locked that car and walked away.
6.People indeed did search for Maura.
7.People indeed did search for Maura repeatly over the years.
8.LE left several messages for Fred Murray who was out of town and on
a cell phone and this is LE fault how?
9.If LE managed to reach Kathleen & Maura's Mother's proves they indeed where search for Maura long before stated by Fred.
10.There was no damaged caused by the towing company.
11.The storage of the car while impounded was correct.
12.CW was not running his mouth in the
stage stop. He indeed told his neighbors
who told him to call the police and he did. The wife told the store own who called Fred.
12.PI's had been hired earlier and quit
why?
13.People on this forum have proven over and over they can get a response from LE regardless may not be the answers anyone wants but they get answers.
14.People have smeared every person out there who came to help someone who didn't want their help. TFW,BA,CW
everyone from NHSP to the local deputy
have been accused of terrible acts.
Seriously someone who walks away from
an accident that deployed the air
bags didn't want to be there. And
many saw only one pair of foot prints!
Are you good or should I keep going?
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I can't read this list and clearly figure out what it's a list of. I'm not trying to be a jerk. But some of these things that you list under "bold faced lies" are NOT lies, they are facts. Some of them seem to be questions. Some of them are still "out for consideration" that is to say, yet to be proven one way or the other. And some of it I just flat-out don't understand what you're trying to say.

sophie bean wrote:

Gentle readers (if any remain)- the double post of mine above was unintentional.
Less-than-gentle readers are welcome to draw your own fevered conclusions.

Hahahahaha! I love Miss Manners. I thought I was the only nerd left who still read her column.

I don't know why I got a red X.. go read the letter from the AG to Fred - the first letter reads to Fred - regarding the death of Maura... Sends a correction on 16th and does not even have the courtesy to apologize................ a parents nightmare. if you think that is a red x... well i hope it never happens to you.. what a horrible piece of mail to open.. your heart would sink