Where is MAURA MURRAY

"As Mason said several times Maura is an adult who had every right to choose to disappear. Quoting Mason again, we have no right to interfere with the decision of an independent adult. Everything in Amherst leads me to this 'run away, start a new life, conclusion."

I do agree that if Maura decided to disappear, it is her right and we ought to respect the choice and not interfere.

Where we part paths - is that from what I know - I can't honestly say that her disapearing as a choice is undeniable.

I've seen the reasoning behind drawing this conclusion and while I can say the line of thought is valid - I've seen valid explanations
for other theories as well - and some of those theories cry out for a solution.

To my mind it is a catch 22 - one valid but unproven line of thought says pack up go home, give Maura peace. The other says keep looking - Maura deserves justice.

In remaining active - I feel it important to be civil - so that if your reasoning turns out to be correct - there will be less arguements for her to read.

Great! We have now resumed the Maura Murray thread. About darn time...

Maura was alive June 2006 in Cumberland Farms with an older man described earlier. It is my feelings that she is being held against her will.
How this came about is the question!!!

Beagle wrote:

<quoted text>That's what OJ said.

Good to see your back "Beagle".

gvmeabrk wrote:

Great! We have now resumed the Maura Murray thread. About darn time...
Maura was alive June 2006 in Cumberland Farms with an older man described earlier. It is my feelings that she is being held against her will.
How this came about is the question!!!

A little correction needed in this post
GMB: Maura was ALLEGEDLY seen in 2006, and ALLEGEDLY seen in a number of other places.

The last know person who spoke to Maura was the SBD

or if you believe the CW workers story three months after the fact, he would be the last known siting of Maura, however, it is unlikely that the youth he described was Maura.

Also, several sitings of Maura have been reported in the last 5 years, all of which have been investigated by either law enforcement or the private detectives.

PLease try not to confuse FACT with ASSUMPTIONS, or MISTAKEN IDENTITIES.

Please use I feel, I believe, I saw.
It is irresponsible to state things as fact
when they are not.

The capitalizations are for emphasis not yelling.

You may discuss this alleged siting, by all means, however the PI have stated all sighting of Maura have been ruled out, and that the search for Maura at this time is a RECOVERY OPERATION.

I too would sincerely like to believe that Maura
is alive, and wish the person I saw who looked like Maura in Habitant Nova Scotia at a winery owned by Americans was here, but that wish will not make it so.

My point is framing of statements; I believe you have no proof of what you are saying so using I feel statements would be more appropriate..

For all the posters interested in the Amherst part of the investigation: would be not be a start to begin with a timeline, and who was the last person to see Maura at the University and to trace her movements on Sunday and Monday, especially the latter.

We have heard everything under the sun from Amherst that takes us half way around the globe with corruption up to ying yang but no emphasis placed on developing a time line? Or that Maura was duplicitous in her life there, asked to leave the university for stealing, secret rendez-vous and multiple other insinuations.This makes little sense?

Did anyone bother to check out Brian McGwon's story (Boston Globe) about the last reported siting of Maura?

What about all the ALLEGED sitings of Maura on security tapes? That sees her living off campus?

What about Maura's friends who were ALLEDGELY looking for her on Monday night?

Lets talk about Amherst, the only problem is where is the information? We cannot blame the
Murray's for witholding information they do not
have? Why were these women looking for Maura if
she ALLEGEDLY was not staying in the residence?
Did she have an appointment to meet these women, or is this just an urban legend?

What about a copy of Maura computer's hard drive ALLEDGELY being misplaced for a number of months?

Seems people searching in the Amherst area are more concerned with far flung theories than seeking the rudimentary information needed to develop a timeline?

I might be misguided, however still waiting to see anything to print regarding a timeline out of
Amherst?

Where did the editor of the Boston Globe get his information that Maura was seeing about 3:30 leaving the campus? What is to the story of the chap who ALLLEDGLY saw Maura with a duffle bag of beer on Sun, time, direction she was headed?

I find it odd that these questions still have no answers, yet I keep asking, and yet accused of
drawing the investigation away from Amherst?

Did anyone write Mary Beth Conway for information regarding what she found out about Maura leaving Amherst?

Let us talk about the basics of what was happening in Amherst before we jump to assumptions
and enuendos.

Suzanne wrote:

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I just don't have the tolerance and patience that you, Snowy exhibit here.

Suzanne ~

my level of irritation and frustration varies according to the source...and is often prompted by the endless cycle of repetition here.
tolerance/patience serves me well at times...a buffer.

what?! leaving now when all indicators trend toward exceeding the current 18,000+ posts...perhaps by doubling in 6 more months? dizzying progress!

leaving when the cast of characters is rumored to include royalty?

not to despair, as the judging for you is favorable.

toxicity...the soup du jour is accompanied by a crazy salad and kool-aid.

what's not to love?

stay, please. although time-consuming, your strong presence is a deterrent to stupidity.

peripeteia wrote:

For all the posters interested in the Amherst part of the investigation:

Insert something mean towards Peri here.

All kidding aside - two points:

Great! We have now resumed the Maura Murray thread. About darn time...

"Maura was alive June 2006 in Cumberland Farms with an older man described earlier. It is my feelings that she is being held against her will."

Peri -

First the person who made the above post _is_ the person who says she saw Maura. From her perspective - there is nothing to allege.

Second -

Consider the importance of Maura having to attend her clinicals. Logic follows that the effort to find Maura a car is evidence that she had no guarantees from others that she would be given rides to them to allow her to successfully complete her semester.

The Murrays have said they are not wealthy enough to hire a private investigator. What this means is that once his Corolla was not driveable - he may have needed the money her saved for her car - to purchase his own replacement car until such time that the insurance company paid the claim on the Corolla -> which could take as long as a WEEK.

Maura's refusing to drive the car could have been her attempt to try to make her car last as long as possible. However, if she was convinced that the Saturn would not last the semester - and if she were convinced that the insurance company might not pay, or if they did, it might take longer then her week's excused absence, she would have no reason to continue - as she was certain to fail out.

Put the above factors together and a number of scenarios come to mind.

Add in the possibility that the Toyota Truck review, made by a Fred Murray a week after Maura's disappearance indicating the truck has made long distance trips - and there is a lot to talk about.

Whiston -- Re Fred heading north to NH from CT after hearing from the HPD, and Fred not taking a few minutes to get off the highway and check her dorm to make sure it wasn't just that her CAR was stolen (and she was actually fine)... None of us know... maybe he DID stop there and find "a note" on Maura's packed boxes that caused him to tell NH LE that she was endangered, depressed, etc.???? Not long after that he switched his comments to join the family in saying that someone must have abducted her.

FireCat --- The above could be another reason that information was withheld from the Murray family. Maybe Fred denying how he originally described Maura's state of mind made NH LE question the veracity of his following statements. If this is the case, the proper procedure would be to not share their investigation with the family. If stories changed, spin developed... that would be a red flag for LE, IMO.

Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

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Insert something mean towards Peri here.
All kidding aside - two points:
Great! We have now resumed the Maura Murray thread. About darn time...
"Maura was alive June 2006 in Cumberland Farms with an older man described earlier. It is my feelings that she is being held against her will."

Peri -
First the person who made the above post _is_ the person who says she saw Maura. From her perspective - there is nothing to allege.
Second -
Consider the importance of Maura having to attend her clinicals. Logic follows that the effort to find Maura a car is evidence that she had no guarantees from others that she would be given rides to them to allow her to successfully complete her semester.
The Murrays have said they are not wealthy enough to hire a private investigator. What this means is that once his Corolla was not driveable - he may have needed the money her saved for her car - to purchase his own replacement car until such time that the insurance company paid the claim on the Corolla -> which could take as long as a WEEK.
Maura's refusing to drive the car could have been her attempt to try to make her car last as long as possible. However, if she was convinced that the Saturn would not last the semester - and if she were convinced that the insurance company might not pay, or if they did, it might take longer then her week's excused absence, she would have no reason to continue - as she was certain to fail out.
Put the above factors together and a number of scenarios come to mind.
Add in the possibility that the Toyota Truck review, made by a Fred Murray a week after Maura's disappearance indicating the truck has made long distance trips - and there is a lot to talk about.

Hello Ben,
Do you know if Maura's dad owned a truck?

Snowy ~
Snowy
I did check spam - I sent another this morning. Let me know if you get this one. I get Quija's emails? sorry to post this on the forum - i don't see you on advocates to send a pm.

v. impressive, WTF/Bill at p. 71 of General Discussion.

the concept of perfection creeps into my life, as well. i will miss keeping that standard, hoping life will become less and not more complicated.

your gifts are a valuable asset, and suit the purpose here of 'finding Maura' very well.
while they are demonstrably different from mine, your good brain is immensely respected from this corner view.
you hardly need accolades, i'm sure.

i'll hold the image of the chance meeting...you, profusely sweating with the backpack and hat...and Wowzer with her smiley pooch.
serendipity may intervene and provide the honor of a well-deserved introduction.

ditto L4M.

Sara wrote:

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Hello Ben,
Do you know if Maura's dad owned a truck?

No - so yes the truck could be a coincidence.

When I saw the review I wasn't convinced it was Maura's Dad, but the purchase made sense.

I realized that reliable transportation was now an issue for both father and daughter and considered what effects it might have and how they might have tried to deal with it.

I believe that Maura would need reliable transportation to succeed in the nursing program. The unfortunate circumstances of the Corolla crash, perhaps limited funds and time delay on getting an insurance reimbursement could have been points of stress that might have effected Maura's mood (Thursday upset?) or a reason to not be on campus for a week.

Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

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No - so yes the truck could be a coincidence.
When I saw the review I wasn't convinced it was Maura's Dad, but the purchase made sense.
I realized that reliable transportation was now an issue for both father and daughter and considered what effects it might have and how they might have tried to deal with it.
I believe that Maura would need reliable transportation to succeed in the nursing program. The unfortunate circumstances of the Corolla crash, perhaps limited funds and time delay on getting an insurance reimbursement could have been points of stress that might have effected Maura's mood (Thursday upset?) or a reason to not be on campus for a week.

Thank you for your response. Interesting.

Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

<quoted text>The Murrays have said they are not wealthy enough to hire a private investigator.

I don't think the MA PI and his assistant wanted any money. They just wanted the chance to deceive the family, the public, and possibly LE. The PI in particular has a history of deception. And protecting the guilty. He sees it as his job.

Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

<quoted text>The unfortunate circumstances of the Corolla crash...

Any ideas about the circumstances following the crash? Which guard rail, for example? Any guesses? There are only three to choose from. Then the Corolla was towed to the motel?(Well, that's a story unto itself.) Then the Corolla was towed to an auto body shop in Amherst. And then there was a sudden scene of lots of police attention to the Corolla. Much more than usual.

Could someone post the address of the other site?

Thanks!

Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

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No - so yes the truck could be a coincidence.
When I saw the review I wasn't convinced it was Maura's Dad, but the purchase made sense.
I realized that reliable transportation was now an issue for both father and daughter and considered what effects it might have and how they might have tried to deal with it.
I believe that Maura would need reliable transportation to succeed in the nursing program. The unfortunate circumstances of the Corolla crash, perhaps limited funds and time delay on getting an insurance reimbursement could have been points of stress that might have effected Maura's mood (Thursday upset?) or a reason to not be on campus for a week.

Don't forget that Maura was regularly accepting rides to her clinicals with someone also attending them. Students often carpool anyway, to have company, save gas and money, etc. So I don't know that getting to clinicals was a problem.

There is also no evidence whatsoever that the Toyota truck reviewed earlier was owned by THIS Fred Murray. There are, as someone pointed out, at least a couple hundred people with that name (one of whom, remember, is his son, Freddie Jr)

Det. Columbo mentions the Hampshire Gallery. He does not say Maura worked there. He simply "mentions" it.

I challenge him to verify the reliability of a normal inferenece that would be drawn from his mention of the Hampshire Gallery. That Maura Murray worked there. IOW, if Maura worked at the Hampshire Gallery, he would know certain information about an exhibitor's identity and be able to provide it.

Another poster, Web Whisperer, with the same ISP location of Det. Columbo (Littleton NH) posted three times an address very near Amherst. Not long after the third posting by Web Whisperer of the address, Suzanne, in one post, drew attention to this address. That's a total of four references in a short period of time to this address. About a week later someone from this address slightly damaged my vehicle by inexplicably rear-ending it. With a Saturn, no less.

I'm not jumping to any definite conclusions, but given Det. Columbo's past online mumbo jumbo and the gun waving of Weeper...

Flea wrote:

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Good to see your back "Beagle".

See you 4/19 at Ray's?