Where is MAURA MURRAY

Flea wrote:

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Good to see your back "Beagle".

Or should I continue to watch my back even there?

Here are two things potentially relevant to Maura Murry's disappearance.

The driver's boss had an office across the street from SW.

People who were acquainted with and/or who have or had some association with the late Richard O. Johnson of Amherst have an intense interest in Maura Murray's disappearance.

Why would a convicted ex-priest rapist accept collect calls from the prisoner phones at Worcester County House of Correction and then call the home phone of a leading member of the Bish-endorsed search and rescue team? All at the same time as Molly Bish's bathing suit was first discovered?

If the Bish and Murray investigations are so interwoven, which they are, it makes one wonder.

Suzanne wrote:

Christian, Thanks for saying Hi. I don't think I'll be hanging out here any more. See you at the UK's leading liberal daily. And to those who don't know but might be reading here I am not a liberal or a conservative. So there!
How come every time I pop in I feel like I need to go take a shower?

Congratulations, Suzanne, your last line there was the most unintentinally hilarious and accurate sentence I've seen in quite some time, and as an editor, I do see quite a few.

sophie bean wrote:

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Congratulations, Suzanne, your last line there was the most unintentinally hilarious and accurate sentence I've seen in quite some time, and as an editor, I do see quite a few.

Yeah, editor of Assisted Suicide Quarterly, which specializes in making good people wish they were dead.

SB cackles like hell whenever one of her targets takes his own life. That's her specialty. She lives just for the thrill of driving innocent people to suicide.

Beagle wrote:

SB cackles like hell whenever one of her targets takes his own life. That's her specialty. She lives just for the thrill of driving innocent people to suicide.

Ditto for EWB.

Beagle wrote:

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Yeah, editor of Assisted Suicide Quarterly, which specializes in making good people wish they were dead.

Classic Beagle; clever, and right on target.

v. nice to know a professional journalist has also witnessed the history of these forums (plural) and has affirmed the dysfunction of the 'FIT' from her observation over time.
talk about folks remaining in heavy denial?!!

the 'new' forum is not exempt from the same dynamics they carry from place to place.

first, a vicious charge is made against another (read "attack") in one breath...and then a declaration of purity in the next breath as in:

"...we are having a civil, intelligent converstaion <sic> here, quite free of the nonsense that's happening on Topix. Kindly keep
that crap where it belongs."

crap, indeed. just some confusion about ownership.

Beagle wrote:

Here are two things potentially relevant to Maura Murray's disappearance.
The driver's boss had an office across the street from SW.
People who were acquainted with and/or who have or had some association with the late Richard O. Johnson of Amherst have an intense interest in Maura Murray's disappearance.

Richard O. Johnson was part of American River Nutrition of Hadley, MA. American River Nutrition is in the business of developing and selling nutritional supplements, especially Vitamin E.

American River, "bought" by HQSM, was audited by Rotenberg, the same unknown accounting company that audited Espey Mfg and Electronics, the Saratoga Springs defense contractor located very near the spot where Lindsay Ferguson was attacked.

Gold and silver running (track) medals from the 1920's showed up at a Greenfield MA building connected to Johnson. The medals came from a Naples, Florida condo next to another condo, in the same building, owned by Espey Mfg. I believe the medals were "positioned" in this Greenfield MA building by Espey or someone close to the company.

This Greenfield MA building, connected to Johnson, is the origin of the books that belonged to the child rapist, which is how the information came to light regarding the phone calls from the prisoner phones at the Worcester County House of Correction to the child rapist's home phone and the apparently corresponding calls from the home phone of the child rapist to the home phone of a leading member of a search and rescue team endorsed by Molly Bish's parents. The phone calls occurred in autumn 2002, when Molly Bish's bathing suit was first discovered.

The Greenfield building now houses a business that promotes organic foods and sells nutritional supplements. The nutritional supplement business is run by someone connected to Johnson.

One scenario is... If Maura Murray was taking statin drugs for high cholesterol, and if she was taking too much Vitamin E, she might have died.

Given the intense and secretive interest in Maura Murray's disappearance by people connected in one way or another with Johnson, the nutritional supplement scenario is not without merit. Especially that Lindsay Ferguson's track coach was involved in a lawsuit about allegedly requiring track athletes, such as Lindsay Ferguson, to take excessive amounts of vitamins.

That is a FACT and it constitutes a VALID CONNECTION between the Murray and Ferguson cases. There are several other connections. If you want answers, ask John Regan.

Let me make this a little clearer. It's not as if American River Nutrition and Espey Mfg. are totally unrelated companies which coincidentally use the same accounting firm.

If you owned two companies, why wouldn't you use the same accountant? One owner, two companies, one accountant. Makes sense, right? The HQSM, Espey biz relationship is on a different level from the regular mom and pop style Main St business, but it's roughly the same idea.

Also, it was the Saratoga Springs track coach (the guy accused of making his runners take excessive vitamins) who helped catch and identify John Regan.

Regan's attorney was paid a "retainer" after Regan inexplicably pleaded not guilty to the charge of attempting to abduct Lindsay Ferguson from a Saratoga Springs High School parking lot.

The "company" that paid Regan was Dove Interests, a company owned in large part (controlled is more like it) by a family closely connected to an office across the street from SW. And closely connected to what I believe is the source of the Molly Bish Reward Fund, or a least a big chunk of it.

Small world, isn't it?

Beagle wrote:

Let me make this a little clearer. It's not as if American River Nutrition and Espey Mfg. are totally unrelated companies which coincidentally use the same accounting firm.
If you owned two companies, why wouldn't you use the same accountant? One owner, two companies, one accountant. Makes sense, right? The HQSM, Espey biz relationship is on a different level from the regular mom and pop style Main St business, but it's roughly the same idea.
Also, it was the Saratoga Springs track coach (the guy accused of making his runners take excessive vitamins) who helped catch and identify John Regan.
Regan's attorney was paid a "retainer" after Regan inexplicably pleaded not guilty to the charge of attempting to abduct Lindsay Ferguson from a Saratoga Springs High School parking lot.
The "company" that paid Regan was Dove Interests, a company owned in large part (controlled is more like it) by a family closely connected to an office across the street from SW. And closely connected to what I believe is the source of the Molly Bish Reward Fund, or a least a big chunk of it.
Small world, isn't it?

Sorry, that should have read "after Regan inexplicably pleaded GUILTY..."

IOW, regardless of whether or not Regan was actually guilty (I think he was guilty), it makes absolutely no sense that he pleaded guilty. None at all. He had an excellent defense and an excellent chance of being found not guilty by a jury trial. He had absolutely nothing to lose by going to trial. Regardless of his plea (guilty or not guilty), Regan would have received exactly same sentence because the DA refused to make any deal WHATSOEVER with Regan.

Questions...it is possible I haven't read closely enough...but

*was Maura Murray ACTIVELY engaged in competing on the UMASS track team at the time of her disappearance?
*has her team status been verified?
*was she sidelined by an injury?

the answers have never been clear enough to regard them as facts.

a UMASS coach was supposedly pivotal in her acceptance/transfer to UMASS...although the date of her actual transfer, to my recollection, has been discussed but remains unresolved.

Snowy White wrote:

Questions...it is possible I haven't read closely enough...but
*was Maura Murray ACTIVELY engaged in competing on the UMASS track team at the time of her disappearance?
*has her team status been verified?
*was she sidelined by an injury?
the answers have never been clear enough to regard them as facts.
a UMASS coach was supposedly pivotal in her acceptance/transfer to UMASS...although the date of her actual transfer, to my recollection, has been discussed but remains unresolved.

I had the impression that Half Moon's sources dried up.

It has recently been proposed, not just by me, that Amherst receive more attention. It's even been proposed that the discussion be taken TO Amherst. Okay, Amherst Topix is open for business. Discuss the disappearance of Maura Murray on the Amherst Topix.

Bravo to oo00oo! Some of the facts are open to question, but it certainly makes to point. There are two forums on Topix Amherst about Maura Murray. Thank you, oo00oo, for your contribution at that location. It will be interesting to see how it goes.

Maybe we could think of a way of bringing Vroom Vroom up to speed?

whiston wrote:

hi all . Just to add to the mess Joe Mcgees' article also says that Maura met Sara Alfieri 'while working at art galleries on campus'.is this more than one gallery or is it just written that way.one thing that jumps out to me is how Alfieri, Markopoulos and Katie jones imply how secretive Maura was.also her supervisor at her security job did say how 'Maura ate dinner alone and whatnot'.i am still trying to get my brain around what has been reported about Maura on the umass track team.Julie Lafreniere introduced Maura to the track team which included Markopoulos.Lafreniere emailed me and said Maura had never ran a race for umass.we know thanks to looking4amoose that she did and a circle of hope ceremony was held in Richmond VA for Maura by the team.the MMM site posted that for the longest time that there was a gag order at umass concerning Maura so i did not bother to make calls when i finally did the detective i spoke with said there was no gag order and the case 'went back ' to NHPD right after Maura vanished.WhiteWash don't know how many local galleries.Joe McGee is no longer at the Patriot ledger.i have emailed Amelia Kunhhardt several times about asking for more pictures of the saturn contents, she was the photographer with Joe McGee and at the Wells River Motel with the Murrays.still waiting for a none tea and crumpets response.take care philip

here is a great post from whiston and addresses some of the most recent questions. I know.... its hard to stay away

White Wash wrote:

In January 07 I was lucky enough to speak
with the Westman I had planned on doing a recap in 07 but was unable to recap any unknown.
1. Westmans are working in their home office.
2. They hear a thumb Faith goes to the kitchen
looks out the window and sees a dark car off the road.
3. She called 911.
4. The car remains dark.
5. Atwood arrives with 1-2 min per Faith.
They opens the door and speaks to the drive who is out now
Talking to him over the roof of the car.
Faith makes a point she doesn't know if it's Butch or Barbara's Bus.
7. Atwood is there 1-2 mines tops Faith says.
8. Faith sees the driver put on the flashers.
9. Driver goes to the trunk then back to car lights going on and off and
She see a red dot on the passengers side.
10. Faith goes back to the front room to help Tim on the computer.
11. Still on the phone with 911.
12. Hears a car goes back to the kitchen window.
13. See Smith nose to nose hangs up with 911.
14.Both Westmans claim zero cars came through in that amount of time.
15. Goes back to the Tim in the front room who is still working.
16. Smith shows up and wants to know if the driver is there.
17.There is no one at the car. Faith looks out the window and the car is dark.
18. Cecil leaves and goes to Atwoods and he drove down.
19. Cecil returns to the car.
20. That is when fire/rescue showed the staged at Old Peter's Road.
21.. Tim Westman goes out then to help. He checks his barn and with FD the
Parking lot and around their house.
22. The game trail is checked.
23. Old Peter's Road is check as well as up and down both sides of the road.
24. Westmans claim crews where there a long time.
25. Odd all this activity and TM never comes out?
Allegedly he wasn't home
26. The Westmans claim the road that night was a dry.
27. Tim Westman comments several times he is baffled she made around the
corner then crashed just doesn't happen that way.
28. Believes she did try to start the car and it wouldn't which indicates
that air bag did go off and she couldn't restart the car.
29. They saw no skid marks.
30. NHSP have been out there cadaver dogs.
31. HPD set up a road block the next Tuesday night for 2
hours.

Here is WW post - this one is very easy to read and has detailed info.

Dawn wrote:

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here is a great post from whiston and addresses some of the most recent questions. I know.... its hard to stay away

thank you, Dawn.
good find. whiston's post brings up that point of discrepancy.

[quote]Believes she did try to start the car and it wouldn't which indicates that air bag did go off and she couldn't restart the car.[/quote]

Airbag deployment doesn't prevent the car from starting. Not that I am aware. Certainly not in '04.

Knocking the transmission into neutral will prevent it from starting.

Very interesting read.

Bill

going back on old posts prior to when i was here..

I have some of the genders' wrong I think.. I always thought wowzer was a girl?????????? I swear. Now I see someone calling her a man.

Wowzer - you are female right ? and you have a dog