Where is MAURA MURRAY

Sorry Qui make it public as well
and I have been told by some very
great source off the record of such
an event.

As someone stated West Point destroys
the records! I guess if this was my
child I'd be willing to put up the paper work stating it was a clear
transfer just to end the rumor
wouldn't you? Unlike others always
been an issue for me that someone have
to always have to put to shut up while
others and just move on when that doesn't pan out as planned!

FireCat you're into the college scene
how's that add for credits for Maura
to graduate as stated?

How about those hard earned West Point
credits surely one would transfer those
wouldn't they?

peripeteia wrote:

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Whiston: Where is your information that indicates Maura was asked to leave U of Mass.
You are the source of the information that Maura was asked to leave West Point. You are the ONLY person to make this PUBLIC. Your information is perhaps valid, and understand that how you came about this information is traceable, therefore you would be remiss to identify your source, as West Point employees are bound to secrecy, and in order to work there you need military clearance. Or you obtained the information from someone bound to secrecy at U. of Mass, the detective and/or employee. Lets face it Maura was not likely to tell, she kept secrets.
Now you are indicating Maura was asked to leave
U of Mass, others here have NO SUCH INFORMATION, since you are the LONE AUTHOR OF THIS RUMOUR, perhaps you should explain. What did Maura do in the two weeks she was at Amherst after the break, to have her expelled from Amherst?
If she was asked to leave why did she email her professors and state she was taking a week off due to a personal nature, which in order to get time off, she was obliged to lie.
I am surprized that your interest in what was going on in Amherst does not extend to developing a timeline, or who was the last person to see Maura. Which might be more productive than spewing RUMOURS.
Unless you are willing to explain your source, then I think readers can place this in the file of URBAN LEGENDS!
She won an acedemic scholarship, not an athletic merit. This has been stated many times, and verified by family members and you know this to be so as you commented before on the MMM forum, and your question was answered.
Presumably, since Kate M met Maura on the track we can presume she was running sometime during her 2 years at U of Mass, whether offical or not, does it matter?

Wasn't it comfirmed by Sharon she
was running! She'd would get up and run not leaving a note or wear gloves! When
she and Billy where traveling.
Maura told Sharon not to worry they'd
have to catch her first?
She for sure believed in her speed
as well as protecting herself!

quija wrote:

IMO Maura having to curtail her running was a big deal to her --- It's depressing, demoralizing, it's yet another loss, it's one less way to burn off steam or stress, and a person might find themselves vulnerable to having to begin DEALING WITH SOME OF THE DEEPER PROBLEMS they've been avoiding. I really think this was yet one more part of the progression to a crisis.
IMO there were things discussed in the (20 min? long) phone call from Maura to her dad on Sunday night around 11PM. She then begin to look for a place to go. Was Fred working Monday? Was Fred working Tuesday?
We've heard all the "reasons" it took Maura until around 4PM to get ready to leave on Monday afternoon, getting near dusk. It's also around the time her dad who might have been on a hospital schedule (7AM-3PM?) would have had time to get off work and drive an hour or more to Amherst from Bridgeport, CT. Was Fred going up there, accompanying Maura in a borrowed red truck, for example? Or one he bought used? LE has to know this. I don't believe that is a mystery to them, just to us.
If Maura had nothing to do with Vasi, did Fred tell Maura Sunday night that he was coming up to complete car-hunting stuff? Did she leave before he got there, wanting to flee for some reason? Could her dad have gone to her dorm to find her, gained access to her dorm room and found her searches for directions north and followed her? Did he find "a note" left in the room? IMO it's more likely that happened Tuesday because that's when he began trying to reach Cecil Smith with "important information", that his daughter was depressed and, thus, endangered, etc.
There is a huge piece of what happened that is missing to us (as there should be). If Maura hit Vasi and someone helped her flee, that would be a crime. Covering up an accidental death or a crime of passion would, of course, be too. There's also obstruction of justice or lying to LE... There are too many secrets.

peripeteia wrote:

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FC
I meant my comment as a compliment, and loved the name so I thought it was a touch of humour, I am impressed by both your and scooter's knowledge of muscle and ligament/soft tissue injuries and the treatments, sorry if this seemed sarcastic, my comment was not meant to be so, not in the slighest.

That wasn't in response to your comment at all peri, it had originally posted right after the nickname--I was oh dearing at the fact that she was the Queen of Soft Tissue Injuries. As in "ouch."

WHITE WASH wrote:

Wasn't it comfirmed by Sharon she
was running! She'd would get up and run not leaving a note or wear gloves! When
she and Billy where traveling.
Maura told Sharon not to worry they'd
have to catch her first?
She for sure believed in her speed
as well as protecting herself!
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Yup. I remember these comments.

WHITE WASH wrote:

Sorry Qui make it public as well
and I have been told by some very
great source off the record of such
an event.
As someone stated West Point destroys
the records! I guess if this was my
child I'd be willing to put up the paper work stating it was a clear
transfer just to end the rumor
wouldn't you? Unlike others always
been an issue for me that someone have
to always have to put to shut up while
others and just move on when that doesn't pan out as planned!
FireCat you're into the college scene
how's that add for credits for Maura
to graduate as stated?
How about those hard earned West Point
credits surely one would transfer those
wouldn't they?
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Presumably some--if not many--of those academic credits would transfer.

Just to be perfectly clear, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER TO INDICATE THAT MAUR WAS ***EVER*** ASKED TO LEAVE UMASS AMHERST.

peripeteia wrote:
"I meant my comment as a compliment"

Firecat wrote:
"That wasn't in response to your comment at all"

Monty Python wrote:
"The following sentence is a response to the two comments above: This is not a response to either two comments."

peripeteia wrote:

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FC
I meant my comment as a compliment, and loved the name so I thought it was a touch of humour, I am impressed by both your and scooter's knowledge of muscle and ligament/soft tissue injuries and the treatments, sorry if this seemed sarcastic, my comment was not meant to be so, not in the slighest.

Peri - I believe FC was actually commenting on my own self-titled words - not your follw up use of "Queen..." afterwards! All in humor - all good. With my disability if I don't have humor I'd go nuts.(for reference see the judging remarks that are more than likely in my posts).
Felt good to finally have something to share that I knew what I was talking about ;>)

"Maura and my, son Billy, had plans to marry in Sept of 2005 and to honeymoon in her favorite of all places: The White Mountains of NH."

www.mauramurraymissing.com/KellyJolkowski_par... -[Cached Version]
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positive indicators

FireCat wrote:

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That wasn't in response to your comment at all peri, it had originally posted right after the nickname--I was oh dearing at the fact that she was the Queen of Soft Tissue Injuries. As in "ouch."

I'm a dork - sorry for posting unnecessarily above...and apologize to those of you reading this now thinking this too was unnecessary...

I'll be returning to Maura now....

White Wash -

Regarding the possible sightings of Maura being checked out and cleared -
Specifically of the alleged sighting of Maura in the store with a man (the "help me" sighting by one of our posters): I'm not clear on how this could have been ruled in or out. Sorry - forgot the posters name - did they report this to LE immediately? In time for LE to verify with other witnesses or video tape in the store? Or did someone know who the couple in question to verify it didn't have anything to do with Maura?

And yes, I also remember Sharon making those comments about Maura's running habits!

Thanks :>)

Maura Murray's parents have reacted with skepticism to a nationally known psychic profiler who believes the missing college student was abducted and murdered after vanishing from a rural New Hampshire road on Feb. 9.

"I don't believe her," said Laurie Murray, of Hanson, whose daughter disappeared without a trace after crashing her car into a snowbank in Woodsville, N.H. "I don't believe in [psychics] at all."

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusett...

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self-explanatory...and probably the origins of all this psychic business and talk of serial killers.

searching is still a bear on Topix, and one of my computers is slow to load...so "someone" who posted on the 'new' site about Lady Gray's previous links to Maura's team participation at UMASS may forgive me for asking repetitive questions. i won't hold my breath.

meanwhile, google brings up 2002 stats.
http://www.gonu.com/wtrack/2002/tuftsinvit.ht...

regardless, my original question was pointing toward WHEN she was injured, how long she might have been benched/sidelined from UMASS team practice/competition, and whether the injury would have prevented her from competing during the year she disappeared.

the questions were prompted by Beagle's insistence that vitamins/supplements may be involved...and i'd think conclusions can't be drawn without the above information.

[QUOTE who="Snowy White"}
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self-explanatory...and probably the origins of all this psychic business and talk of serial killers.[/QUOTE]

Hey Snowy - yes, I remember reading that article. Not sure what you mean about 'all this psychic business and talk of serial killers"? Has there been more of this in the recent news or ? I haven't seen any more talk of this on the two forums...no more than the other vitamin/supplement/red truck/whodunnit/ talk. Maybe I missed something?!?

...and trying to search for the injury info myself. A "bear" is right!

ScooterD wrote:

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Hey Snowy - yes, I remember reading that article. Not sure what you mean about 'all this psychic business and talk of serial killers"? Has there been more of this in the recent news or ? I haven't seen any more talk of this on the two forums...no more than the other vitamin/supplement/red truck/whodunnit/ talk. Maybe I missed something?!?

my comments can be sometimes be too brief or too long...
vitamins/supplements are fairly recent, but 'serial killers' and 'psychics' have been mentioned since i've been fully present.
it's interesting that psychics were engaged fairly immediately in 2004...which probably opened the door to attract more...and further, discussions were initiated and sustained about serial killers/safety in NH.
i don't know if Maura's mother has since changed her mind, nor do i know her father's position on the matter of psychics.
however, nothing has been produced in 5 years.

Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

peripeteia wrote:
"I meant my comment as a compliment"
Firecat wrote:
"That wasn't in response to your comment at all"
Monty Python wrote:
"The following sentence is a response to the two comments above: This is not a response to either two comments."

If I had a plank right now, I'd swing it around to see what you were talking about and bop Peri in the head with it, Three Stooges style.

WW wrote:

"Obvisously JM was home odd he didn't come out since the accident was on his property!

Even odder that he didn't call 911 to report and accident on his property!"
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The accident might have happened in front of his property, but NOT ON HIS PROPERTY. The state owns to 33 Ft. from the center line, this makes the trees by the accident scene owned by the state. JM did not call 911 probably because the accident was Not on his property and really had no reason to call. He probably figured the westman's had called and also saw the bus stop there, maybe he did not want to get involved.

Art

WHITE WASH wrote:

Sorry Qui make it public as well
and I have been told by some very
great source off the record of such
an event.
As someone stated West Point destroys
the records! I guess if this was my
child I'd be willing to put up the paper work stating it was a clear
transfer just to end the rumor
wouldn't you? Unlike others always
been an issue for me that someone have
to always have to put to shut up while
others and just move on when that doesn't pan out as planned!
FireCat you're into the college scene
how's that add for credits for Maura
to graduate as stated?
How about those hard earned West Point
credits surely one would transfer those
wouldn't they?
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That is the point WW, people state things, they are researched and found out to be true or not to be true, such as Muara was NOT asked to leave U of Mass, and Maura seen in this place and that, and when the notion doesn't pan out; do they leave it go, NO they do not, ad infinitum it is repeated.

Your "great source" (strange source of words) that told you Maura was asked to leave West Point, I presume this to be a leak, either from West Point, University of Mass or the police, and as some of the other information you present seems to be a leak from police, I suspect this is your GREAT source.

Forgot Ouija mentioned it as well, sorry.

Since it is military it is doubtful the records were destroyed. Why would they be destroyed unless Maura filed a complaint and it was covered up, why would they ever be destroyed? My guess if this happened the source is traceable, as military information is secret, and information on applications to University's are confidential as well, and since Maura was not in the business of revealing information about herself and the Murray family have not stated this, then someone who worked on the inside and revealed the information or it came from the police.

If true it got leaked. Stating uequivically military records were destroyed says it came from the inside, someone on the inside would be the only way to know if the records were destroyed. If the records destroyed then how is the information available to a plebian.

No matter the source, how do you figure if Maura was asked to leave West Point that it had anything to do with her disappearance in Haverhill? Someone followed her to Haverhill from the University of Mass and was stalking her and thus the reason for her flight from school. This implies a fairly complicated operation, and one likely needed more than one person. Why too if someone was being followed would they go to the back woods, without cell phone coverage, in a poorly working car, and a Maura never have driven in the winter before, seems like there would be safer places to hide out THAN in the White Mountains and ALONE. Seems very unlikely. Unless of course Maura filed a complaint re: sexual harrassement and someone had reason to keep her quiet.

I'm sorry to doubt the information, however, that is the problem without stating sources, and information that either the family does not know or witheld, it is not rocket science to follow the possible sources.

There are many untruth floating around, and you seem to be the author of some of them, so you will pardon if I question your "Great Source."

You state a fact, and when challenged you don't respond, that is your choice, except you simply diminish your credibility in my eyes, others are free to choose what they believe.

Old Timer wrote:

WW wrote:
"Obvisously JM was home odd he didn't come out since the accident was on his property!
Even odder that he didn't call 911 to report and accident on his property!"
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The accident might have happened in front of his property, but NOT ON HIS PROPERTY. The state owns to 33 Ft. from the center line, this makes the trees by the accident scene owned by the state. JM did not call 911 probably because the accident was Not on his property and really had no reason to call. He probably figured the westman's had called and also saw the bus stop there, maybe he did not want to get involved.
Art

Given FW NEW timeline, JM had only 1-2 minutes to assess the situation before the SBD came along, presumably he thought he would call 911. Since FW nor TW came out to see what was the condition of the driver of the saturn, then why would JM come out who was much older than they are.