Where is MAURA MURRAY

Marta-Ela wrote:

foes someone from this forum know maura or her family or boy?

Welcome, Marta-Ela!
I'm curious to know why you've come to be interested in this missing young woman, Maura Murray? I'm anticipate you will be a wonderful contributor to this discussion. ;-)

The Vasi Hit & Run is the 7th red herring.

Someone is responsible, but not Maura, and the Saturn was not involved.

If FM was involved in the disappearance of MM, who was in the car at the crash site at WB? Who did SBD see? Was it someone who helped FM? An acompliss?

It seems the perp would have wanted to get rid of the Saturn on their own, to direct suspicion to the area of the WB in NH, and avoid involving anyone else. Why risk bringing in a MM look-a-like, unless this look-a-like didn't know the details but was told only to drive the car to WB, back it into a snow bank, and wait for a red truck to pick her up before receiving a fee for her services.

What do you think Mason? Do you think Johnny Bravado would be able to help us answer this question? Johnny Bravado, you shmuck, are you there? Are you listening you retarded pig? Care to chime in and make a laughable fool of yourself?

I have identified what I believe are 18 red herrings that must be disregarded to solve this case. Some of them have may have been planted to sow confusion and it's for each of you to decide if that's true and if the person's motive was to conceal his guilt. Due to the limitation on the length of messages, this is a two-part post.

EIGHTEEN RED HERRINGS

1. Maura Murray was a perfectly happy and well adjusted All American Girl Next Door with no psychological or emotional problems;

2. Maura left West Point because the Army wasn’t for her;

3. It was not a big deal to Fred Murray when Maura told him that she wrecked his new Toyota Corolla early Sunday morning, February 8, 2004;

4. Nothing out of the ordinary happened at West Point or in Amherst that had anything to do with Maura’s decision to take some time off from school, drive to New Hampshire, and her subsequent disappearance after she wrecked the Saturn;

5. The accident on Route 112, located approximately 125 yards east of the curve at the Weathered Barn, was staged to conceal the damage sustained by the Saturn either when it hit Petrit Vasi, or when it was in a previous accident on Route 112 within a few miles W/B from the accident;

6. The Vasi hit and run (i.e., Maura took an unauthorized absence from her security job monitoring sign-ins at the front entrance to Melville Hall at UMass to purchase coffee and a snack and she hit a pedestrian, Petrit Vasi, with the Saturn in the intersection at Triangle and Matoon streets in Amherst and left the scene without stopping or calling 911 to report the accident);

7. A previous accident involving the Saturn on Route 112 within a few miles W/B from the accident scene located approximately 125 yards east of the curve at the Weathered Barn;

8. The trailer hitch theory (i.e., a trailer hitch, probably the one on Sgt. Smith’s Bronco, caused the dent in the Saturn’s engine hood);

9. The Saturn had a flat tire (i.e., a bad guy sabotaged the tire starting a slow leak when Maura stopped to get gas and he followed, abducted, and killed her after the tire went flat causing the accident);

CONTINUED

EIGHTEEN RED HERRINGS -- PART 2

10. Maura wasn’t driving the Saturn when it crashed either because she never left Amherst, or she was abducted at the scene of a previous accident;

11. Maura was abducted and murdered by the driver of the suspicious red truck that witness RO described as having a small window in back with an eagle decal (perhaps a Harley Davidson insignia?), wood slats along the side, and MA license plates (or possibly temporary NH plates) that also was seen (parked next to Bradley Hill Road with the driver out of the vehicle in the woods around the time Maura disappeared) by a witness walking her dog (the location is one mile from the Bradley Hill Road and Route 112 intersection);

12. Maura was murdered at the A-Frame by Claude Moulton, who was renting the place at the time because cadaver search dogs went “bonkers” in a downstairs closet when the PI’s searched it in October of 2006 (Weeper told us the dogs discovered menstrual blood that probably transferred to the carpet from clothing in a laundry hamper, but he did not say whether it was DNA tested);

13. Before the search at the A-Frame, a rusty jackknife with reddish-brown stains was given to Fred Murray by a man, now deceased, who told him that his brother might have used it to kill Maura (his brother likely is a man named Claude Moulton and Fred Murray told Maribeth Conway that he told the police that the knife might be evidence in a capital case and tried to give it to them but they refused to accept it and he later mailed it to them but they never contacted him, the person who gave him the knife, or the suspect);

14. Fred Murray's statement to a reporter on the fifth anniversary of Maura's disappearance that the PIs withheld important evidence from the NHSP that they seized during a search in the summer of 2008, which should have been submitted to the State Crime Lab for DNA testing;

15. The school bus driver was involved in Maura’s abduction or he knows more about it than he has been willing to disclose;

16. The person that the construction worker saw running along Route 112 in the vicinity of the Coventry Road intersection, approximately five miles from the accident, was Maura Murray;

17. The construction worker was involved in Maura’s abduction; and

18. Maura is alive, happy, and well living with a “hunk” in the Province of Quebec, which is known within “certain circles of people close to the Murray family.”

I hope Maura is alive, but I fear that the rash of postings last week is false and that's why I list it as a red herring.

Fred

I agree 100% with Mason's "red herrings" post. I can't, however figure out WHY the red herrings have been tossed to us from time to time, except

(1) people "in the know" are protecting Maura who is safe elsewhere,

(2) Fred Murray made statements to the PIs and charmed and convinced them and closed their minds, or

(3) LE and the PIs have been aware for 5 years that Fred was involved and have been "stalling" with the red herrings while they build a case?

This is my own opinion and if it isn't "thought-out", please don't let it reflect on Mason's clear thinking.

snow....
i saw something about her..that she went missing so i was reading about....
:)

I attached the letter below to the following email I sent to Helena Murray on April 19, 2009 at 4:40 pm CDT.

Dear Helena,

I'm trying to reach Fred Murray to request that he produce evidence from his employer regarding when he was at work on February 9, 2004, and February 10, 2004.

I have attached a short letter to him explaining why I seek the information.

Do you have his address?

Fred

Professor Frederick Leatherman
[Address omitted because of this site's rules]

This is the letter:

Professor Frederick D. Leatherman, Jr.
[Address omitted per site rules]

SENT VIA EMAIL

April 19, 2009

Mr. Fred Murray

RE: Your Employer’s Records of the Time You Worked on February 9 2004 and February 10 2004.

Dear Mr. Murray,

I post regularly as Mason on the Franconia Topix and Forumer21 websites that concern the disappearance of your daughter Maura.
I ask you to please contact your employer on February 9, 2004, and February 10, 2004, and authorize your employer to send me certified copies of the time period that you worked at your employer’s place of business on those dates.
The information I request is important and necessary to our effort to eliminate you as a potential suspect in your daughter’s disappearance.

You may want to consider consulting with an attorney before you respond to my request.

Sincerely,
__________
Professor Frederick D. Leatherman, Jr.

I will post Fred Murray's response when I receive it.

Fred Leatherman

Mason wrote:

I attached the letter below to the following email I sent to Helena Murray on April 19, 2009 at 4:40 pm CDT.
Dear Helena,
I'm trying to reach Fred Murray to request that he produce evidence from his employer regarding when he was at work on February 9, 2004, and February 10, 2004.
I have attached a short letter to him explaining why I seek the information.
Do you have his address?
Fred
Professor Frederick Leatherman
[Address omitted because of this site's rules]
This is the letter:
Professor Frederick D. Leatherman, Jr.
[Address omitted per site rules]
SENT VIA EMAIL
April 19, 2009
Mr. Fred Murray
RE: Your Employer’s Records of the Time You Worked on February 9 2004 and February 10 2004.
Dear Mr. Murray,
I post regularly as Mason on the Franconia Topix and Forumer21 websites that concern the disappearance of your daughter Maura.
I ask you to please contact your employer on February 9, 2004, and February 10, 2004, and authorize your employer to send me certified copies of the time period that you worked at your employer’s place of business on those dates.
The information I request is important and necessary to our effort to eliminate you as a potential suspect in your daughter’s disappearance.
You may want to consider consulting with an attorney before you respond to my request.
Sincerely,
__________
Professor Frederick D. Leatherman, Jr.

Dear Mr. Letterman, I ask that you please provide a copy of your social security number and law license to prove that you are who you say you are. What is the status of your membership in any bar asscocatio in Washington state, Paducah Kentuckey etc. thank you Defamation

Defamation:

Look me up on the Washington State Bar Association website.

No chance I'll ever give you my SSN.

Mr. Murray, I know you are the author of the message. You cannot intimidate me. You act at your own peril.

Fred Leatherman

**********

Here's Helena's response to my email:

"My computer is not currently working please contact me by telephone if you need an immediate repsonse."

Here's my response to Helena:

Helena,

Don't mean to be rude, but your computer worked well enough to receive and respond to my email.
I don't know your phone number. No reason to put yourself in the middle of my effort to contact Fred Murray. If you will be so kind as to send me his address by email, I promise not to post it on the internet.

Please notice that I did not post your email address.

My address, phone number, and email address are posted at the bottom of all of my email correspondence. Plus, I've posted them on the other site. This site will not permit me to post email addresses or telephone numbers.

No one should have a problem reaching me.

Fred Leatherman

Professor Frederick Leatherman
[address and phone number omitted per site rules]

I just posted this message on the other site:

Well, any mystery about whether my request made it to Fred Murray, should be resolved by Defamation's message.

I guess Mr. Murray's message means no cooperation will be forthcoming.

A simple refusal to answer pursuant to the Fifth Amendment could not be interpreted as an admission. Mr. Murray's message is a not so veiled threat and I interpret it as an admission that he was not at work on Monday, February 8, 2004, and Tuesday, February 10, 2004.

Brilliant move Mr. Murray.

Fred

Next Question:

Are Mr Murray's actions consistent with those of an innocent father stricken with grief at the disappearance of his daughter?

You be the judge.

Mason wrote:

EIGHTEEN RED HERRINGS -- PART 2
10. Maura wasn’t driving the Saturn when it crashed either because she never left Amherst, or she was abducted at the scene of a previous accident;
11. Maura was abducted and murdered by the driver of the suspicious red truck that witness RO described as having a small window in back with an eagle decal (perhaps a Harley Davidson insignia?), wood slats along the side, and MA license plates (or possibly temporary NH plates) that also was seen (parked next to Bradley Hill Road with the driver out of the vehicle in the woods around the time Maura disappeared) by a witness walking her dog (the location is one mile from the Bradley Hill Road and Route 112 intersection);
12. Maura was murdered at the A-Frame by Claude Moulton, who was renting the place at the time because cadaver search dogs went “bonkers” in a downstairs closet when the PI’s searched it in October of 2006 (Weeper told us the dogs discovered menstrual blood that probably transferred to the carpet from clothing in a laundry hamper, but he did not say whether it was DNA tested);
13. Before the search at the A-Frame, a rusty jackknife with reddish-brown stains was given to Fred Murray by a man, now deceased, who told him that his brother might have used it to kill Maura (his brother likely is a man named Claude Moulton and Fred Murray told Maribeth Conway that he told the police that the knife might be evidence in a capital case and tried to give it to them but they refused to accept it and he later mailed it to them but they never contacted him, the person who gave him the knife, or the suspect);
14. Fred Murray's statement to a reporter on the fifth anniversary of Maura's disappearance that the PIs withheld important evidence from the NHSP that they seized during a search in the summer of 2008, which should have been submitted to the State Crime Lab for DNA testing;
15. The school bus driver was involved in Maura’s abduction or he knows more about it than he has been willing to disclose;
16. The person that the construction worker saw running along Route 112 in the vicinity of the Coventry Road intersection, approximately five miles from the accident, was Maura Murray;
17. The construction worker was involved in Maura’s abduction; and
18. Maura is alive, happy, and well living with a “hunk” in the Province of Quebec, which is known within “certain circles of people close to the Murray family.”
I hope Maura is alive, but I fear that the rash of postings last week is false and that's why I list it as a red herring.
Fred

Yes, of course, Mason - everyone who has ever posted about ANY possibility which doesn't concur with your agenda has been knowingly, willfully posting "red herrings." It couldn't possibly be that ANY of us posting those ideas could have EVER done so out of a sincere desire to find Maura and resolve this case.

quija wrote:

I agree 100% with Mason's "red herrings" post. I can't, however figure out WHY the red herrings have been tossed to us from time to time, except
(1) people "in the know" are protecting Maura who is safe elsewhere,
(2) Fred Murray made statements to the PIs and charmed and convinced them and closed their minds, or
(3) LE and the PIs have been aware for 5 years that Fred was involved and have been "stalling" with the red herrings while they build a case?
This is my own opinion and if it isn't "thought-out", please don't let it reflect on Mason's clear thinking.

quija ~
perhaps more than a few might be willing to acknowledge your long-term dedication and selfless commitment to finding Maura.
your posts are thought-provoking and reflect the daily consideration and effort you bring to trying to solve her disappearance.
i trust that your conclusions come from a place of compassion and are reality-based.
while the red herrings summarize the discussions that have taken place here, i also hope that you, Mason and others are prepared to disprove them by simultaneously proving Fred Murray's involvement. you are both quite brave to step forward with a possible scenario that is nearly unthinkable.
there is unusual silence.
for the time being, the merry-go-round has come to a stop.

sophie bean wrote:

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Yes, of course, Mason - everyone who has ever posted about ANY possibility which doesn't concur with your agenda has been knowingly, willfully posting "red herrings." It couldn't possibly be that ANY of us posting those ideas could have EVER done so out of a sincere desire to find Maura and resolve this case.

I did not say that and you know it.

Mason wrote:

Defamation:
Look me up on the Washington State Bar Association website.
No chance I'll ever give you my SSN.
Mr. Murray, I know you are the author of the message. You cannot intimidate me. You act at your own peril.
Fred Leatherman
**********
Here's Helena's response to my email:
"My computer is not currently working please contact me by telephone if you need an immediate repsonse."
Here's my response to Helena:
Helena,
Don't mean to be rude, but your computer worked well enough to receive and respond to my email.
I don't know your phone number. No reason to put yourself in the middle of my effort to contact Fred Murray. If you will be so kind as to send me his address by email, I promise not to post it on the internet.
Please notice that I did not post your email address.
My address, phone number, and email address are posted at the bottom of all of my email correspondence. Plus, I've posted them on the other site. This site will not permit me to post email addresses or telephone numbers.
No one should have a problem reaching me.
Fred Leatherman
Professor Frederick Leatherman
[address and phone number omitted per site rules]

Mr. Leatherman, I'd like to ask you a question for you to ponder....if your client was Fred Murray, how would you advise him, as an (inactive)attorney to respond to such a request in a public forum?

One more thing, you need to get with Ben Franklyn and discuss automated responses by email - Helena is having difficulty with her computer and she has her email set up to generate an automated response.

How do I know this? I myself received one yesterday:

Re: XXXXX
Saturday, April 18, 2009 4:53 PM

From:
"[email deleted for privacy]">View contact details
To:
[email deleted for privacy]

My computer is not currently working please contact me by telephone if you need an immediate repsonse.

Oops, Hooyah is my screen name for the US Navy for whom I am proud to say I have a son proudly serving.:o)

sophie bean wrote:

<quoted text>
Yes, of course, Mason - everyone who has ever posted about ANY possibility which doesn't concur with your agenda has been knowingly, willfully posting "red herrings." It couldn't possibly be that ANY of us posting those ideas could have EVER done so out of a sincere desire to find Maura and resolve this case.

Sophie,

Go back and read the introduction to my post entitled 18 Red Herrings. I said,

"I have identified what I believe are 18 red herrings that must be disregarded to solve this case. Some of them may have been planted to sow confusion and it's for each of you to decide if that's true and if the person's motive was to conceal his guilt."

What's your next objection?

BTW, I believed many of these red herrings at one time or another. Bill (WTF) convinced me several of them were 100% bullshit and little by little I figured out the rest with some help from other posters.

Continue believing some or all of them, if you want. I've said what I have to say for now.

Fred