Where is MAURA MURRAY

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sophie bean wrote:

A law professor who isn't a lawyer, who hasn't passed the bar, doesn't have clients, but has "worked with serial killers."
How's YOUR relationship with your daughter, Mason?

This is when I wonder where do you people come from.

Sophi...
Take a moment and go to the wa state bar. you cant be on there without passing the bar..

How many times has Fred posted he stopped taking clients in 2004 when he became a professor. I understand how Peri doesn't get it not being an american. Ever heard of retired? When a case comes to an end - a decision is made - the client then either is fined, jailed put on probabtion etc.. They are no longer clients.. Can anyone else believe this.

So.. maybe this will help you... Nancy Grace is an attorney - she passed the bar .. she doesn't have clients - she hasn't practiced in Georgia for years. She is still a lawyer and she has also taugh law.. He was a defense attorney for Gary Ridgway - if you don't want to call him a serial killer - so be it. He is and was.

That is like saying a retired doctor is not doctor because he doesn't have patients.

sophie.. sophie sophie...

jmlh

Joined: Wed Apr 15

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Shack wrote:

jmth...only my words and advice..Pls,do not send
anything to him....if he isn't intelligent
enough to do it on his own...being a big deal
attorney....he can get one of his shallow
women secretaries to do it for him...with his
coffee.......
If you do not trust me..check with w/Helena.Pls.

Thanks for the concern Shack. Not to worry, I didnt and I wont.

Dawn

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I should not have said retired.. Sorry Fred.. He is now a law professor and not actively taking clients..........

but gheez..

sophie bean

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Dawn wrote:

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This is when I wonder where do you people come from.
Sophi...
Take a moment and go to the wa state bar. you cant be on there without passing the bar..
How many times has Fred posted he stopped taking clients in 2004 when he became a professor. I understand how Peri doesn't get it not being an american. Ever heard of retired? When a case comes to an end - a decision is made - the client then either is fined, jailed put on probabtion etc.. They are no longer clients.. Can anyone else believe this.
So.. maybe this will help you... Nancy Grace is an attorney - she passed the bar .. she doesn't have clients - she hasn't practiced in Georgia for years. She is still a lawyer and she has also taugh law.. He was a defense attorney for Gary Ridgway - if you don't want to call him a serial killer - so be it. He is and was.
That is like saying a retired doctor is not doctor because he doesn't have patients.
sophie.. sophie sophie...

Um, Dawn...a retired doctor is not a doctor. Not licensed to practice. A "retired" lawyer is not a lawyer - not licensed to practice.
Has Mason said that he is retired?
Has Mason said, in response to a direct question, that he actually is Fred Leatherman?
No to both questions.

I will not consider it a fact that Mason = Fred Leatherman, nor should you.

I don't recall saying that Gary Ridgway is NOT a serial killer.
I said no such thing.
I WILL say that I am "nicer" than Gary Ridgway, or any other serial killer, because I have never injured anything more sentient than a fish, and that rarely.
It's pretty indefensible in this or any imaginable universe to call someone with whom you disagree "nastier than any serial killer" merely by "virtue" of the fact that they disagree with you.

You have questioned what you perceive as my "rage."
You are confusing rage with outrage.
Doubtless, you would feel no sesne of outrage if you were accused of being "nastier than any serial killer" for the unspeakable offense of diagreeing with an internet poseur.

sophie bean

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Really, Dawn? Mason aka "Fred Leatherman" is a law professor? At which school?

jmlh

Joined: Wed Apr 15

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Mason wrote:

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I was one of two whistleblowers who were fired without cause for exposing that the Dean and the Assistant Dean were running a Ponzi scheme stealing student loan money. The Assistant Dean also was running a scheme awarding grades for sex.
The other whistleblower is a highly respected former circuit court judge named John John T. Daughaday. Our efforts produced a civil RICO lawsuit filed in federal court against the Dean and bthe Assistant Dean. The case was settled three months later and we were reinstated with full backpay.
Unfortunately, the new school (Barkley School of Law) born out of the former school (American Justice of Law) was multiple millions of dollars in debt due to the financial misdeeds of the former Dean and Assistant Dean. The new school collapsed under the debt and was unable to renew the contracts of all faculty members on August 31, 2008. It ceased operations effective December 31, 2008, and is now in bankruptcy.
Fortunately, Judge Daughaday (who was appointed Interim Dean of the Barkley School of Law) and the rest of the faculty, including me, were able to help all but a few of our students transfer into other law schools where they are performing very well academically.
Our faculty was rated exceptional by the ABA.
Principles matter to me and my students mattered to me. I will live or die by my principles, doesn't matter which outcome.
I doubt you can say the same.

I thought the whistleblowers act was federal, must be just in Maine. So can you collect unemployment in Washington for getting fired? Feel free to judge this as incendiary and spam. I'll be the first to admit it!

Snowy White

“ Good B chillaxin - TY Scott”

Joined: Jun 12, 2008

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Danvers, MA

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sophie bean wrote:

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Um, Dawn...a retired doctor is not a doctor. Not licensed to practice. A "retired" lawyer is not a lawyer - not licensed to practice.
Has Mason said that he is retired?
Has Mason said, in response to a direct question, that he actually is Fred Leatherman?
No to both questions.
I will not consider it a fact that Mason = Fred Leatherman, nor should you.
I don't recall saying that Gary Ridgway is NOT a serial killer.
I said no such thing.
I WILL say that I am "nicer" than Gary Ridgway, or any other serial killer, because I have never injured anything more sentient than a fish, and that rarely.
It's pretty indefensible in this or any imaginable universe to call someone with whom you disagree "nastier than any serial killer" merely by "virtue" of the fact that they disagree with you.
You have questioned what you perceive as my "rage."
You are confusing rage with outrage.
Doubtless, you would feel no sesne of outrage if you were accused of being "nastier than any serial killer" for the unspeakable offense of diagreeing with an internet poseur.

ask Fred/Mason. i'm going to lunch.

jmlh

Joined: Wed Apr 15

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Snowy White wrote:

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unusual/flimsy excuse? obtaining a driver's license is a heralded 'right of passage' to independence.
transportation is an asset for summer employment.
i'm stuck here.

Where we live you have to have a vehicle.No public transportation other than school buses. Not even a taxi service. But my children werent allowed to get their license before they were 18. They could get their driving permits. Yes, their mother was a bitch.

Dawn

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sophie bean wrote:

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Um, Dawn...a retired doctor is not a doctor. Not licensed to practice. A "retired" lawyer is not a lawyer - not licensed to practice.
Has Mason said that he is retired?
Has Mason said, in response to a direct question, that he actually is Fred Leatherman?
No to both questions.
I will not consider it a fact that Mason = Fred Leatherman, nor should you.
I don't recall saying that Gary Ridgway is NOT a serial killer.
I said no such thing.
I WILL say that I am "nicer" than Gary Ridgway, or any other serial killer, because I have never injured anything more sentient than a fish, and that rarely.

It's pretty indefensible in this or any imaginable universe to call someone with whom you disagree "nastier than any serial killer" merely by "virtue" of the fact that they disagree with you.
You have questioned what you perceive as my "rage."
You are confusing rage with outrage.
Doubtless, you would feel no sesne of outrage if you were accused of being "nastier than any serial killer" for the unspeakable offense of diagreeing with an internet poseur.

I am off to meeting.. Why are your so fidgety ? take a deep breath.. will reply in a bit.

Dawn

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jmlh wrote:

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I thought the whistleblowers act was federal, must be just in Maine. So can you collect unemployment in Washington for getting fired? Feel free to judge this as incendiary and spam. I'll be the first to admit it!

This time I will say it. RESEARCH before you speak.. You look like fools.. Did he say it was in WA state NO.. I swear - Is this how you did your research on Maura? If so - no wonder wheels have been spinning...

Snowy White

“ Good B chillaxin - TY Scott”

Joined: Jun 12, 2008

Comments: 1128

Danvers, MA

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jmlh wrote:

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Where we live you have to have a vehicle.No public transportation other than school buses. Not even a taxi service. But my children werent allowed to get their license before they were 18. They could get their driving permits. Yes, their mother was a bitch.

yes, quite reasonable and understandable...and each family has different needs and abides by parental rules.
certain folks seem to know so much about the dynamics of the Murrays' family life...i figured someone would know, for sure, why Maura deferred getting her driver's license.

jmlh

Joined: Wed Apr 15

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Dawn wrote:

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This time I will say it. RESEARCH before you speak.. You look like fools.. Did he say it was in WA state NO.. I swear - Is this how you did your research on Maura? If so - no wonder wheels have been spinning...

Sweetheart if I was in the employee lounge right now I would. But seeing as I'm just hanging around unemployed I thought I would just ask.
Oh and by the way I feel for you too, But I just can't quite reach.

jmlh

Joined: Wed Apr 15

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Whistleblower Protection Act of 1989

The Whistleblower Protection Act of 1989 is a United States federal law that protects federal whistleblowers, or persons who work for the government who report agency misconduct. A federal agency violates the Whistleblower Protection Act if it takes or fails to take (or threatens to take or fail to take) a personnel action with respect to any employee or applicant because of any disclosure of information by the employee or applicant that he or she reasonably believes evidences a violation of a law, rule or regulation; gross mismanagement; gross waste of funds; an abuse of authority; or a substantial and specific danger to public health or safety.
The law created the Office of Special Counsel (OSC), charged with investigating complaints from bureaucrats that they were punished after reporting to Congress about waste, fraud, or abuse in their agencies. The OSC has jurisdiction over allegations of whistleblower retaliation for made by employees of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).
[edit]Whistleblower Protection Act of 2007

Your right Dawn that took me like 4 seconds.
Looks like a federal act to me.

jmlh

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Only bored meetings for me, but I think it's time I clock out for lunch. Maybe some Black Fly Stout to ring in springtime in New England! Have a nice day!

Benjamin Franklyne

Joined: Oct 16, 2008

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Hayward, CA

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jmlh wrote:

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I thought the whistleblowers act was federal, must be just in Maine. So can you collect unemployment in Washington for getting fired? Feel free to judge this as incendiary and spam. I'll be the first to admit it!

Right.

A majority of student loans come out of the Department of Education.

Dawn

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Jmlh
I will let Fred answer - there are 'act's and policies in addition to the federal act of 89. Some are managed at a state level too. Managing Lawfully is a class I am required to take annually for my position.

sophie bean

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Thank you, JMLH. A whistleblower, as defined by federal statutes cannot be legally fired without the employer facing federal charges. Perhaps Mason aka Fred had forgotten that detail.

Still waiting, Dawn, to hear where Mason "aka Fred Leatherman" is teaching law. It would be quite interesting to call the real Professor Leatherman and see what he has to say about all of this. It would be quite interesting to see what a college or university would have to say about a member of its faculty behaving as Mason "aka Fred Leatherman" has behaved here. Not precisely what you'd call professional.
More like what you'd call "actionable." It's really the sort of thing tht ordinarily makes college boards of trustees VERY anxious, since actionable statements by members of their faculty can revert to them. Perhaps Mason "aka Fred Leatherman" was unaware of that fact.

Dawn

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In addition - an employer can have an internal whistleblower policy. This allows the employee to come forward - against a superior without retaliation - which is important in a "at will" state of employment - like WA state.

sophie bean

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Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

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Right.
A majority of student loans come out of the Department of Education.

Will there be some point in time, BF, when you feel like actually contrubuting to any part of the conversation, or will you merely be throwing hand grenades as the spirit moves you? I've avoided asking this question after your last 30 or so posts which have been nothing but spam.

Still, the MO is at least familiar - someone, anyone asks a real question, and the smoke screen of spam and blather goes up, along with its companion slew of invective. Refreshingly, they don't always happen simultaneously. Sometimes, for the sake of variety "someone" starts a new thread on topic with a fascinating and useful "poll."
For more spice, you can throw in "judging" - arguably the most infantile tactic of non-discussion, highly intellectual rejoinder that I've ever seen. Never mind the fact that those being judged are merely laighing our collective asses off at the stupidity and juvenile posturing.

Dawn