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If the sticker was recently removed - if this is true - then perhaps something more is related to the sticker than what has been assumed, discussed, or acknowledged.

It's always been assumed that Maura was the student to whom the sticker corresponded. But if so, then HPD and UMass PD would have got that part of the abandoned car figured out PDQ. HPD would have known that Maura was probably the driver, regardless of the vehicle's registration and/or VIN, assuming the parking permit was issued to her.

So the sometime idea that HPD believed Maura's father was driving seems possible, but kind of unlikely. It seems far more likely that HPD assumed, with the help of UMass PD, that the person who was driving the Saturn was the person to whom the UMass student parking sticker was issued.

Which may help explain the confusion and/or delay about notification. And maybe not. But it's worth a thought.

If - and it's a big if - the sticker was issued to someone other than Maura, then how did anyone know she was even missing? When was it known? Is that why some parts of this puzzle don't seem to fit?
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UMass PD should have no reason to withhold whether or not Maura Murray was assigned the parking sticker for the Saturn (registered to her father) that was affixed to the Saturn at the time the Saturn was found abandoned on Rt. 112 in Haverhill on February, 9, 2004.
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CONGRATULATIONS TO ELSEWHERE BRIEFLY!

Elsewherebriefly predicted that the human remains found in Warwick MA on June 24, 1989 would be Michelle Nicholaouís. Looks like sheís right based on the research Iíve done. I believe we now have sufficient circumstantial evidence to pass along to LE that will persuade them to confirm the identification.

According to the Doe website, MA has DNA evidence on file in the investigation of Michelle Nicholaouís disappearance. I interpret this statement to mean LE has her mtDNA profile, which they could have obtained from a buchle swab provided by her mother. All they need to do is develop an mtDNA profile from the remains and compare it to her mother's mtDNA profile. The profiles will match, if the remains are Michelle's, because mtDNA is inherited maternally.
Michelle's parents reported her missing on December 20, 1988, after they found no one at Michelle and Michael's house in Holyoke, MA. The Christmas tree was set-up with wrapped presents under it and the refrigerator was full of spoiled food, so no one had been at home for awhile. The last time they saw Michelle was at her sister's wedding in November. Michelle told her mother before the wedding that she was afraid Michael was going to kill her. She said she was going to take the kids and leave him after the wedding. She'd just given birth to the daughter and the son was 2 or 3 years old.

Michelle's mother hired Private Investigator Lynn Marie Carty to find Michelle and she traced Michael and the kids to a woman in Charlottesville, VA who used to work at the porn store that Michael and another guy owned and operated. According to the information on the DOE website, Michael abandoned the kids, stole her van, and disappeared. He returned some time later, retrieved the kids, and took them to his brother's house. Then, he took off and did not return for a year.

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Mason

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Police have identified Michael Nicholaou as their primary suspect in the Connecticut River Valley serial murder investigation. They suspect the Connecticut River Valley Killer stabbed 22-year-old Jane Boroski 27 times on August 6, 1988, near Keene, NH. She is the only person known to have survived an attack by the killer and she provided descriptions of him and his vehicle that closely resemble Michael Nicholaou and his vehicle. The Connecticut River Valley Killer appears to have stopped killing after the unsuccessful attempt to kill Jane Boroski.

I believe Michael Nicholaou murdered Michelle in Holyoke before he took the kids to Charlottsville. I believe he took the womanís van because he intended to return to MA and he did not want to risk being pulled over by police while driving his own vehicle which might have happened since it matched the description provided by Jane Boroski. He left Holyoke because he needed a place to stash the kids so they would not interfere with his efforts to get rid of their motherís body and he needed return in a different vehicle to finish the job. I don't know where he stashed her body in the interim, but it had to be a place cold enough to suspend its decomposition. He probably stashed it outside in a wooded area because itís cold enough in February to do that. He may have removed the legs or otherwise cut-up her body to fit it inside a freezer, for example, after he returned. I think he waited until June to return because he wanted to wait until the investigations into Jane Boroskiís attempted murder and Micheleís disappearance died down. He returned, retrieved her dismembered body, and concealed the various parts in different places. One of those places was in Warwick. I doubt that he realized DNA analysis could identify the human source of any single part and he probably assumed that the police would never be able to establish that Michelle was dead.

I studied the area on Google Earth and guess what I found?

According to Google Maps,

Holyoke to Warwick is 48.8 miles.

Holyoke to Keene is 62.8 miles.

The route to both locations starting in Holyoke overlaps, or is identical for the first 41 miles!
I also reviewed all the missing person reports posted on various internet websites for the United States and Canada during the period in question. Michelle Nicholaou's disappearance in December, 1988, establishes in my opinion that she is the most likely source of the remains in terms of the date and location from which she disappeared and the location where the remains were discovered.

I recognize this doesnít prove that the remains are Michelleís. It does provide a reason to compare the DNA profiles and thatís all we need to do to support a request for the analysis.

Congratulations again to Elsewhere Briefly.

You go girl!

Fred
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Of course, probably not too many people from the Amherst area are going to be looking at a Franconia NH Topix forum.
Mason

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Does this mean Michael Nicholaou killed Pamela Webb, dismembered her body, and dumped her torso along Rte 3 near Franconia in early July, 1989, a week after he disposed of Michele's dismembered body?

I wonder where he was on February 9, 2004?

Fred

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OK. i hate searching Topix...but i do when i have to.
Dawn is "bringing up" the matter of IP addresses to claim she doesn't check on IP addresses.
following this is my reply at post #15593 of p. 774 (where i take responsibility for the word "lure"....and now escalate to "solicit", as a matter of fact).
and Wowzer's related post at #15627 of p. 776.
you see, i don't care what was resolved with Mason and Johnny...it is THIS QUOTE that keeps me from registering at the "new" forum. i'll give credit to Dawn for that.

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and P.S.- you can kick my a$$, not Wowzer's...because i feel very strongly about people messing around with identities.
OK - now this is unfair to Dawn, so I'm going to speak up. Because I don't like it when people are picked on or scared when a misunderstanding is the cause.

Dispite my having explained this thoughly some still believe that anyone's _identity_ can be discovered merely by having an IP address.

I've said this a great many times - that you can only find out the general location of a person's Internet connection point from an IP address. Usually, but not always - this approximately the location the person is posting from.

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This is how Topix is able to display a city when you make a post. No one has complained about Topix doing this - and I don't believe there is any reason to complain.

By verifying that the general location someone posts from is not a proxy server - you can be reasonably assured that the person making the post is who he says he is, if the poster volunterily discloses who he is and where he is from.

Snowy - I don't expect you to tell us your name. But until you do - your anonymity is not in jeopardy - even if you signed up at the other place.

The most anyone could find out is that your IP number originates in Gloucester, MA or whatever other close suburb your leased IP address resides at.

Since I can tell you think that the Topix vs. Tarrant County contradicts what I'm saying - I guess I'll explain it - because in all honesty - I would bet my life that you have nothing to hide. The correlary is that I feel that I should post this so you won't be in fear of something that cannot happen. I also don't think that Dawn should be blamed for things that can't happen even though the way she wrote her post - made it sound like she knew it could happen.

The Topix vs. Tannant County case is only a first step for Tarrant County to discover who the posters were in the thread they are interested in.

Because Topix doesn't really know much about its posters. If you never sign up - they only know a few things.

If you signed up - they have the information you provided when you signed up, to the extent it is truthful.

In addition to information volunterily disclosed by people that sign up for Topix, they have the following information:

1. The name of the Internet Service Provider the poster was using to make posts, if they do a small amount of work.

2. The time that the user made a post

3. If the user signed up, the email address and name of company that provided an email address to the user.

If Topix looses the case, they will provide to Tarrant County the above information.

It will be up to Tarrant County to take additional steps:

2. Now they have to go to court or get a warrant to get the following information from the ISP Topix identified:

The identity of the ISP subscriber that was using the leased the IP number at the specified time.

Once that point is passed - then an identity is verified.

If a user comes on to Topix and states his identity and publicly known general location and you can tell he's not disguising his posting location through a proxy server - its reasonable to conclude that the person is telling the truth - that is enough evidence to show anyone that claims the individual inquestion is an imposter, is probably incorrect.

I'll only do this to disprove - what I believe to be - an incorrect accusation that is serving to undermine a fair debate.
Beagle

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Mason wrote:
Does this mean Michael Nicholaou killed Pamela Webb, dismembered her body, and dumped her torso along Rte 3 near Franconia in early July, 1989, a week after he disposed of Michele's dismembered body?
I wonder where he was on February 9, 2004?
Fred
These are certainly not the thoughts of the Vermont State Police PR sergeant who, now retired, was intimately familiar with the Connecticut River killings. But, of course, he is just a (retired) state cop. He's not a psychic or astrologer, so what could he possibly know?
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Was the parking sticker on the Saturn, reportedly removed recently, issued to Maura Murray or to someone else? Is this the reason, if true, that the sticker was recently removed?

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Like I said before anyone that tells you that they've got your IP address and starts humming na-"na-na-na-na-na" is, well, I can't think of a kind word.

Its like saying - I've got your area code SO I KNOW WHERE YOU ARE EXACTLY!

Laughable right? Right.

So if anyone tries to bully you with an IP number threat, just laugh at them. If your still worried, sign off and back on to the Internet Service Provider and you'll have a new IP number.

Pretty simple - no big deal.

And no I'm not saying Dawn is being a bully. I'm just explaining for everyone's future reference so they don't have to worry about someone doing the impossible to them without taking some actioon within the judicial system.

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Beagle wrote:
<quoted text>These are certainly not the thoughts of the Vermont State Police PR sergeant who, now retired, was intimately familiar with the Connecticut River killings. But, of course, he is just a (retired) state cop. He's not a psychic or astrologer, so what could he possibly know?
Come on Beag - I know your a skeptic - but the comment is a bit unfairly skewed, don't ya think?
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Mason wrote:
Police have identified Michael Nicholaou as their primary suspect in the Connecticut River Valley serial murder investigation. They suspect the Connecticut River Valley Killer stabbed 22-year-old Jane Boroski 27 times on August 6, 1988, near Keene, NH. She is the only person known to have survived an attack by the killer and she provided descriptions of him and his vehicle that closely resemble Michael Nicholaou and his vehicle. The Connecticut River Valley Killer appears to have stopped killing after the unsuccessful attempt to kill Jane Boroski.
I believe Michael Nicholaou murdered Michelle in Holyoke before he took the kids to Charlottsville. I believe he took the womanís van because he intended to return to MA and he did not want to risk being pulled over by police while driving his own vehicle which might have happened since it matched the description provided by Jane Boroski. He left Holyoke because he needed a place to stash the kids so they would not interfere with his efforts to get rid of their motherís body and he needed return in a different vehicle to finish the job. I don't know where he stashed her body in the interim, but it had to be a place cold enough to suspend its decomposition. He probably stashed it outside in a wooded area because itís cold enough in February to do that. He may have removed the legs or otherwise cut-up her body to fit it inside a freezer, for example, after he returned. I think he waited until June to return because he wanted to wait until the investigations into Jane Boroskiís attempted murder and Micheleís disappearance died down. He returned, retrieved her dismembered body, and concealed the various parts in different places. One of those places was in Warwick. I doubt that he realized DNA analysis could identify the human source of any single part and he probably assumed that the police would never be able to establish that Michelle was dead.
I studied the area on Google Earth and guess what I found?
According to Google Maps,
Holyoke to Warwick is 48.8 miles.
Holyoke to Keene is 62.8 miles.
The route to both locations starting in Holyoke overlaps, or is identical for the first 41 miles!
I also reviewed all the missing person reports posted on various internet websites for the United States and Canada during the period in question. Michelle Nicholaou's disappearance in December, 1988, establishes in my opinion that she is the most likely source of the remains in terms of the date and location from which she disappeared and the location where the remains were discovered.
I recognize this doesnít prove that the remains are Michelleís. It does provide a reason to compare the DNA profiles and thatís all we need to do to support a request for the analysis.
Congratulations again to Elsewhere Briefly.
You go girl!
Fred
Greenfield Massachusetts Police were spreading the rumor a few years ago that a local, somewhat prominent business man and land owner was the Connecticut River serial killer. I doubt very much (extremely much) that the rumor was true, but it seems everyone in town badmouths this "serial killer" every chance they get without ever mentioning why. I'm not even sure the guy knows about these rumors.
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Benjamin Franklyne wrote:
Like I said before anyone that tells you that they've got your IP address and starts humming na-"na-na-na-na-na" is, well, I can't think of a kind word.
Its like saying - I've got your area code SO I KNOW WHERE YOU ARE EXACTLY!
Laughable right? Right.
So if anyone tries to bully you with an IP number threat, just laugh at them. If your still worried, sign off and back on to the Internet Service Provider and you'll have a new IP number.
Pretty simple - no big deal.
And no I'm not saying Dawn is being a bully. I'm just explaining for everyone's future reference so they don't have to worry about someone doing the impossible to them without taking some actioon within the judicial system.
So how do the cops track down people who violate the law by using a computer connected to the internet?
Beagle

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Benjamin Franklyne wrote:
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Come on Beag - I know your a skeptic - but the comment is a bit unfairly skewed, don't ya think?
Skeptical of psychics? You bet. Totally. They feed off of victims ignorance and heart break. Same with astrologers. It's all nonsense.

“ Good B chillaxin - TY Scott”

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Benjamin Franklyne wrote:
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OK - now this is unfair to Dawn, so I'm going to speak up. Because I don't like it when people are picked on or scared when a misunderstanding is the cause.
Dispite my having explained this thoughly some still believe that anyone's _identity_ can be discovered merely by having an IP address.
I've said this a great many times - that you can only find out the general location of a person's Internet connection point from an IP address. Usually, but not always - this approximately the location the person is posting from.
BF, we've had this conversation before.

Dawn's statement, in her own words, demonstrates her INTENT to VERIFY THE IDENTITY OF POSTERS.
Whether or not she could accomplish this by the method she suggested is immaterial.

She, alone, is responsible for making such a statement, while appearing to aggressively seek the identities of more than one poster.

Perhaps you can help her understand that others might find this a violation of etiquette...or worse.

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Beagle wrote:
<quoted text>So how do the cops track down people who violate the law by using a computer connected to the internet?
They follow the process I explained, but you ignored.

The big problem is that if the post were made at a restaurant with free wireless - that's as far as they can go - unless the catch the guy on camera and the person happened to use a credit card to make a purchase.

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Beagle wrote:
<quoted text>Skeptical of psychics? You bet. Totally. They feed off of victims ignorance and heart break. Same with astrologers. It's all nonsense.
Mason is speaking from his experience as an Attorney and knowledge of serial killers and DNA, not his interest in astrology. He's not an astrology professor, he's a law professor.

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Snowy White wrote:
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BF, we've had this conversation before.
Dawn's statement, in her own words, demonstrates her INTENT to VERIFY THE IDENTITY OF POSTERS.
Whether or not she could accomplish this by the method she suggested is immaterial.
She, alone, is responsible for making such a statement, while appearing to aggressively seek the identities of more than one poster.
Perhaps you can help her understand that others might find this a violation of etiquette...or worse.
On this different issue - I am closely aligned with your sentiment.
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<quoted text>So how do the cops track down people who violate the law by using a computer connected to the internet?
Read the last sentence of the post you quoted, Beagle. They're cops. They ARE the judicial system.
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