Where is MAURA MURRAY

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>I know you don't know the answers but, if there's a video at the ATM, what was she wearing? Was her hair up or down? Any jewelry? Why didn't the Mass. LE release the pictures from the ATM video like they do in so many other cases? The family was pleased with the investigation that the FBI did, so I'm assuming they have this information but aren't disclosing it maybe???

Moose (I hope it is okay to call you that) As far as I know, the family has no information regarding any fbi investigation, only that they investigated. Maura consistantly wore her hair up at the time. I only wish I knew more. I believe a big part of this investigation is jurisdiction. There was a case regarded as the Drega incident where 2 NH troopers, along with 2 others were murdered by Carl Drega in the late 1900s. Much of the errors in that tragic incident centered on lack of communication between agencies. Since then communications ha ve improved. Let us remember to communicate as best we can.

So... a few years ago, some of the less interesting things in the Margaret Sanger collection of papers, etc.- likely from the Sophia Smith Collection at Smith College - showed up at auction. Not identified as Sanger's or even who the consignor was. Were they stolen? Probably not. Just not really relevant to the Sanger collection.

Was the Leica camera and accessories one of these items? Because tracing their eventual sales route led to someone apparently interested in Maura's disappearance AND to the online church photo that included someone who resembled Maura.

Hello, Simplicissimus! Thanks for the tip about Calvin College!

Beagle wrote:

<quoted text>Not sure why a nursing student at UMass Amherst would travel all the way to Norwood unless the clinicals involved some kind of work that occurred during semester break in Dec/Jan. Is this possible, or are clinicals either one semester long or suspended during school vacations?

When one clinical semester ends, so does its clinical attachment, so no it wouldn't carry over between semesters. I've been unable to verify that the clinicals were in Norwoood---typically UMass Dartmouth and Umass Boston do their clinicals there.

Anne wrote:

<quoted text>Moose (I hope it is okay to call you that) As far as I know, the family has no information regarding any fbi investigation, only that they investigated. Maura consistantly wore her hair up at the time. I only wish I knew more. I believe a big part of this investigation is jurisdiction. There was a case regarded as the Drega incident where 2 NH troopers, along with 2 others were murdered by Carl Drega in the late 1900s. Much of the errors in that tragic incident centered on lack of communication between agencies. Since then communications ha ve improved. Let us remember to communicate as best we can.

Anne,(pretty sure you don't mind my calling you that! LOL) I believe it was Fred Murray that was quoted as being quite pleased with the investigation that the FBI did. As a parent, wouldn't be happy with an investigation if I couln't even verify that the person at the ATM was my daughter!

looking4amoose wrote:

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Anne,(pretty sure you don't mind my calling you that! LOL) I believe it was Fred Murray that was quoted as being quite pleased with the investigation that the FBI did. As a parent, wouldn't be happy with an investigation if I couln't even verify that the person at the ATM was my daughter!

I suppose it's possible that Fred respected LE's judgment in not showing him the video - if there even was a video. Possible?

But, if that's the case, then Fred would not have known even what "kind" of person was on the video. Could this person have been someone Fred knew?

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text> When one clinical semester ends, so does its clinical attachment, so no it wouldn't carry over between semesters. I've been unable to verify that the clinicals were in Norwoood---typically UMass Dartmouth and Umass Boston do their clinicals there.

Thanks for the info about the clinicals. When the semester ends, the clinical also ends. If I have that right. No inter-term or any of that stuff.

OK--I've been watching tooooooooo many CSI, cold case, etc. shows. Could the person in the video be Fred?

Have the Murray's hired an investigator? I know there's pro bono work being done, but is there anyone else?

Maybe it was the backhoe end of a front end loader after all. Maybe a small one. Like the one that almost backed into the front end of my vehicle on Rt. 112 not far from the curve.

Maybe she was working/volunteering at or doing a clinical at NELCWIT or Safe Passage?

looking4amoose wrote:

OK--I've been watching tooooooooo many CSI, cold case, etc. shows. Could the person in the video be Fred?
Have the Murray's hired an investigator? I know there's pro bono work being done, but is there anyone else?

If so, then you can bet LE would have showed it to him. Or at least have said they have him on video. But it's also possible that Maura's checking account - assuming she had one - was a joint account with her father. Or someone else.

looking4amoose wrote:

Have the Murray's hired an investigator? I know there's pro bono work being done, but is there anyone else?

Two of them. Near total certainty - 99 plus percent certainty. One is a licensed PI, the other a forensics expert. They are not mentioned publicly and are not from NH.

However, these two have worked in the past, and are probably still working, for a "certain someone" who could conceivably stand to lose a big ton of dough (real big) if Maura's disappearance is connected to the nutritional supplement business, which it appears to be.

This "certain someone" is the best friend of someone I have known extremely well for several decades.

I believe these two investigators (not from NH) represent the fox guarding the chicken coop. But I don't think Maura Murray's immediate family realize this.

Will you take it from a nurse who graduated from the UMass nursing program in May, 2004 (and completed all 4 yrs of her classwork and clinical training at UMass) that there were no clinicals in Norwood until after 2004. UMass may have started a clinical in Norwood in the fall of 2004, but not before the end of the 2004 spring semester graduation. There were no clinicals west of UMass Worcester Memorial until after 2004.

Beagle wrote:

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Two of them. Near total certainty - 99 plus percent certainty. One is a licensed PI, the other a forensics expert. They are not mentioned publicly and are not from NH.
However, these two have worked in the past, and are probably still working, for a "certain someone" who could conceivably stand to lose a big ton of dough (real big) if Maura's disappearance is connected to the nutritional supplement business, which it appears to be.
This "certain someone" is the best friend of someone I have known extremely well for several decades.
I believe these two investigators (not from NH) represent the fox guarding the chicken coop. But I don't think Maura Murray's immediate family realize this.

I should qualify the word "forensics." I mean it in the crime scene/Henry Lee sense. Not like in forensic accounting or forensic psychology. And definitely not like in forensic astrology (lacks foundation, to say the least).

I don't know whether or not anyone other than "certain someone" is paying them. But "certain someone" makes more money in a day than most people make in a year, so the money "certain someone" is paying the PI and the forensics expert is probably the money that is listened to most.

I do know that "certain someone" has close ties to the source of the Bish reward money. I'm not saying the he is the source of it, just that he knows them and his politics and thinking are on the same plane.

The Molly Bish Reward Fund, apparently, is separate from the Bish Foundation. I don't know anything about the funding of the Foundation.

looking4amoose wrote:

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I don't mean to be sarcastic, but that person has not verified where the clinicals were, has he/she?

That person was the one who told Helena the clinicals were in Norwood. Helena then told us.

looking4amoose wrote:

I don't mean the city, I mean the actual location--which hospital/health care/human services agency.

Oh. That--not sure. My assumption is that it was Norwood Hospital, because that is what is to this day listed on the UMass web site for clinicals, but I can't be sure.

One last time wrote:

Will you take it from a nurse who graduated from the UMass nursing program in May, 2004 (and completed all 4 yrs of her classwork and clinical training at UMass) that there were no clinicals in Norwood until after 2004. UMass may have started a clinical in Norwood in the fall of 2004, but not before the end of the 2004 spring semester graduation. There were no clinicals west of UMass Worcester Memorial until after 2004.

Your statement (or question, actually - "Will you take it from...") is deeply appreciated. Unless Maura Murray specifically set up a unique, individualized clinical in Norwood, then it sure seems that driving to Norwood on a frequent basis would have been way too far to go.

Were regular (or not regular) clinical relationships between UMass AMHERST and one or more locations on the North Shore or South Shore set up during or after 2004? If so, where were they? What about the Boston metro area?

Thank you very much for your post.

whiston wrote:

hi all , i have 2 people that were in nursing school at the same time as Maura and they say there were no clinicals in Norwood M.A. when Maura was there.I will double check with them and report back here.I have to ask who deemed what were the facts on the old forum.philip

Thank you, Philip, but (A) can your friends be absolutely, verifiably certain of EVERY location that clinicals were offered five years ago? Do they still have the paperwork or Nursing Hanbook? The list is a few dozen locations long.

On the new forum you said (and I WILL go and find that post if it becomes necessary) that clinicals at Norwood began in 2004. Maura disappeared in early 2004.

Between (A) word of mouth thirdhand from someone I don't know but who WASN'T there (your two contacts), and another person I don't know (you)

or (B) word of mouth thirdhand from someone I don't know but who WAS there, and someone I do know (Helena)

being that Helena is someone I know without a doubt I can trust

I will choose B.

No one on MM was ever "deeming anything to be fact." A fact is or it isn't. And clinicals being available in Norwood in 2004 is BY YOUR OWN ACCOUNT

a FACT.

As for citigirl saying Maura's clinicals were not at Norwood, I don't recall that. I *do* recall that clinicals were at two locations. The other was....what, Hadley? Somewhere much, much closer.

Beagle, as for what reason there could be to have clinicals at Norwood, I don't know of one either. But there were. I posted on the other site a link and a list of clinicals locations all over the damn place. Connecticut, Boston, local to Amherst, Vermont, you name it. No one ever said universities make things convenient for their students or had reasons that make sense!

Bottom line: if the woman who drove Maura to clinicals tells Helena they were in Norwood, I choose to believe that. Obviously Philip is going to choose to believe otherwise. At this point I am not trying to persuade Philip (as there are a number of maxims to this effect) but simply to alert others who are reading that Philip's assertions ARE SIMPLY NOT ACCURATE IN THIS CASE.

Dawn wrote:

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Citigirl
Has posted that her cliniclas were not in Norwood. I am going to go with her word for now

When and where did she say that? Because I honestly don't remember her doing so.

One last time wrote:

Will you take it from a nurse who graduated from the UMass nursing program in May, 2004 (and completed all 4 yrs of her classwork and clinical training at UMass) that there were no clinicals in Norwood until after 2004. UMass may have started a clinical in Norwood in the fall of 2004, but not before the end of the 2004 spring semester graduation. There were no clinicals west of UMass Worcester Memorial until after 2004.

Frankly, since I have no idea who you are, not necessarily, no.

FireCat wrote:

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Oh. That--not sure. My assumption is that it was Norwood Hospital, because that is what is to this day listed on the UMass web site for clinicals, but I can't be sure.

I believe that the UMass Amherst nursing program allowed and still allows relatively unconventional settings for clinicals, such as homeless shelters, batttered women's shelters, drug treatment programs, etc. These are sometimes set up on a unique, individualized basis. As has been pointed out before, though, it is assumed that Maura was not sufficiently advanced toward her degree to participate in clinicals like these.