Where is MAURA MURRAY

whiston wrote:

Maura Murray Vanished .She may have been last seen in Amherst M.A.in feb 2004.No video of her has been made available to her family or to the public so the video is just reported in the press and amy or may not exist.Her family did put up missing person posters but were not told by local police what the person at the ATM which may have been Maura was wearing or which ATM was used.Also they were not told if the vehicle that was found in NH was seen at the ATM or if it was damaged or if the person at the ATM drove away to a liquor store or walked to it.Why would that information not be given to the family trying to find there loved one.Why would law enforcement not tell the family of a missing person what they were last recorded on video wearing.Even on the now closed MMM forum the description was vague ,maybe this phone, maybe these shoes,maybe this coat and then a light grey coat with large buttons.I have to ask, what on the old site is even close to true. no trees were hit by the saturn , no clinicasl were available in Norwood when Maura was in school and Maura was asked to leave Westpoint Military Academy.When i emailed the coach she did not know who Maura was.I am not saying any of this to trash Maura. The truth is good .philip

Well, whiston, I agree. Truth is good. Unfortunately, your post contains very little, and the errors in it are obvious to anyone who's followed this discussion even slightly. I'm curious as to why you consistently accuse the family of "refusals" when the FACTS to the contrary are so clearly apparent. Care to explain?

Beagle wrote:

Was there a sanitarium (insane asylum) in Benton, NH?

That's hilarious. The simplest search would tell you that it was a SANITORIUM, hardly the same thing. Back to square one, Beagle.

Actually, I should thank Beagle for yet again providing a great example of backwards theorizing - "I want to prove a connection between Maura's disappearance and eugenics as practiced by devotees of Margaret Sanger at the insane asylum in Benton NH...therefore, I need to establish an insane asylum in Benton NH"
Then, as has so recently and so often been the case, no one bothers to refute the "fact" which isn't a "fact" - and we're off and running in another direction which takes us ever further from FINDING MAURA.

Well, if I do nothing here other than refute non-facts, I guess I am doing something quasi-constructive, but I'd damn well rather be looking at REAL information. Sadly, there is a good deal of intelligent inquiry lurking about here, but it's usually buried under the nonsense and spam.

It is reasonable to assume that Nichalaou may be responsible for more deaths than the murder/suicide in Florida.
Can we establish if there is any possibility that he was in Swiftwater on Feb 9, 2004?
Can we establish that there is any possibility that Brian Rooney was in Swiftwater on 2/9/04?
Can we establish that there is any possibility that Lovie Riddle was in Swiftwater on 2/9/04?

These are known perpetrators, any of whom is quite capable of and convicted of abduction/murder. Is it productive to establish whether they might have been in the area on 2/9/04?
Thanks.

jmlh wrote:

Mason-Fred, The name is Riddle. Lovie Lee Riddle Jr.

I'm glad to see you here. I would really like us to consider the possibility of Riddle's involvement in Maura's disappearance.
I'm a little fuzzy about whether Riddle was/is a/the suspect in the "Interstate Rapist" cases in ME and NH. Silky/Beth spoke often of a number of cases which might have involved LE impersonation, and included I-93, and I believe I-89, perhaps I-91.
Thank you.

I did not speak to the student!
I obtain the information from Chief
Williams during the interview for the JO!
I'm not 100% but I believe this information was supplied to HPD by
UMASS security/MA LE/FBI.
I do not believe NH LE where allowed to
interview investigate in MA so all information obtain was via reports or
briefings. I don't believe NH LE have
even seen the ATM video and if
the Family is stating they haven't then
it was MA LE who made the positive ID then.

elsewherebriefly wrote:

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White Wash,
Is the same person, as stated in your JO article, that saw Maura carrying a hockey bag filled with beer?
Did you speak to the student directly or was this information disclosed to you by Chief Williams with HPD or Lt. John Scarinza with NHSP?

It would be in addition to the Major Crime Unit and
is much needed.

sophie bean wrote:

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How interesting - would this eliminate the already-existing Major Crimes Unit which is, according to the NHSP website, already supposed to be investigating these cases?
http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/nhsp/missi...

Guess that depends on if you part of the community that got shaken to it's core by these horrible murders.

Being part of the Zantops Professional
community I take comfort knowing that
NHSP has stopped a serial killer in the
making and the other will not see the
outside world most of his life.

Justice that most are looking forward to
for Maura and believe that they will
get!

sophie bean wrote:

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How certain are you of the "brilliant work" of NHSP in this case?

But it's ok for the FIT/forums/PI's to post all the trash about those who stepped and actually gave official statements? The Westmans,The Atwoods,
The towing Company, Troop F and all
the ones who spoke with everyone under the sun!

Whiston keep posting what you find!

Every time one who the "FIT" attack
is cause YOU ARE RIGHT!

Lady Gray wrote:

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The truth is good??? You're not saying any of this to trash Maura???
You obviously aren't as good as researching facts as you think you are....
THIS is the problem I have with postings such as your's. You type your postings as if what you say is fact. It isn't. It's misleading. But you put yourself out there as if you're an expert.
You say Maura never ran a race while at UMass-Amherst? You say you talked to a coach who didn't know of Maura? Did you ever consider that you spoke with someone who maybe didn't WANT to talk to you and it was easier to say she didn't know Maura? Or maybe she truly didn't; however, the point is, if you would do YOUR research in the expert manner that you portray yourself, you would find race results for Maura.......I found them. Why couldn't you? Didn't spend the time? Easier to post bullshit? Easier to further victimize a victim? Just what are your intentions here?
Don't mean to trash Maura? Here are the links:
http://www.gonu.com/wtrack/2002/tuftsinvit.ht...
http://www.gonu.com/wtrack/2002/browninvit.ht...

These are all high school runners she ran with not
the Coaches!

So Whiston is correct stating the COACH didn't know Maura!

Typical "FIT" Spinning of words,facts,information!

Lady Gray wrote:

Okay, I apologize for posting twice. I don't apologize for anything else......
Here's more. I hope this puts to rest the lies that Maura wasn't on the UMass-Amherst track team.
The following is taken from a news article - link shown below:
“The UMass Amherst track team, for which Maura competed, held a ceremony at a track meet in Richmond, Va.”
http://enterprise.southofboston.com/articles/...

Close!
Glen Cliff, NH!
Not really for insane those would be
placed in Concord.
More for adults who need assisted living.

sophie bean wrote:

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That's hilarious. The simplest search would tell you that it was a SANITORIUM, hardly the same thing. Back to square one, Beagle.

sophie bean wrote:

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I'm glad to see you here. I would really like us to consider the possibility of Riddle's involvement in Maura's disappearance.
I'm a little fuzzy about whether Riddle was/is a/the suspect in the "Interstate Rapist" cases in ME and NH. Silky/Beth spoke often of a number of cases which might have involved LE impersonation, and included I-93, and I believe I-89, perhaps I-91.
Thank you.

Sophie, In 1988 when Riddle was arrested for attacking me, He called himself "The Interstate Man" He claimed participating in over 30 murders and kidnappings across the US and Canada. He was questioned by Toronto police about a little girl that had disappeared named Nicole Morin. He has criminal records from Alabama to Maine.
As to whether or not I think he had any involvement in Mauras disapearance all I can say is that he was NOT in jail on 2/9/04. I DO believe he was involved in the murders of the late 80's. Maybe not all of them, but some.
He has been released again to a halfway house in Portland Maine. Too close.

whiston wrote:

[text deleted] Even on the now closed MMM forum the description was vague ,maybe this phone, maybe these shoes,maybe this coat and then a light grey coat with large buttons.I have to ask, what on the old site is even close to true.[text deleted] The truth is good .philip

Philip, you seem to be saying that the clothes Maura was wearing were never listed on the website or on posters. I urge you to go to www.MAURAMURRAYMISSING.COM or www.MAURAMURRAY.COM (both links actually go to the same site).

They are listed there as they were on the forum, the first website and all of the posters produced by the family. They are also listed on the New Hampshire State Police website, the National Center for Missing Adults http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncm... , the family's Myspace page
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm... .

In addition, the family sites list the make and model of the phone, and include info on the back pack Maura was believed to have with her. The post from the forum about Maura's cell phone included a picture of the cell phone. I remember that Sharon (Maura’s fiance’s mother), from the very beginning was able to identify the phone because the phone had just recently been given as gift to Maura by her fiance.
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php... Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:30 am Post subject: Cell Phone.

The truth is good, Philip, and the information presented on Maura’s forum was posted with only that in mind. You have told those here on Topix that you were able to download the old forum and yet there are glaring errors in what you say. The information above was taken from the pictures and timeline section under cell phone and shoe threads.

Hope that makes it easier for you to verify.

Philip, could you explain for us what you believe has been reported inaccurately by the Caledonian Record? I'm sure the others on here would also like to know on a point by point basis what you believe to be inaccurate and the source for your information.

Posted: Monday, February 09, 2009
Article comment by: philip rothwell

MR Lindsley i wish you could really look at what has been shown to be false and repeated over and over ,which is most of the story and do some serious research to help find Maura.philip rothell
http://caledonianrecord.com/main.asp...

Mason wrote:

I believe Elsewherebriefly or Wowser or both have mentioned the murder of a woman from Maine who had a problem with her car, possibly a flat tire, and the person who killed her, abducted her as she was attempting to change the tire. Her body was discovered somewhere near Franconia, if I'm not mistaken.
Anyone recall this case? I'm going to look for it to see if it has anything in common with Maura's case.

Someone may have answered. but I'm catching up..Her name was Pamela Webb.

Mason wrote:

The victim's name in the case I mentioned a couple of posts back is Pamela Webb. On July 1, 1989, she stopped to change a flat tire near the Biddleford exit on the Maine Turnpike. Her remains were discovered 17 days later near Franconia in the White Mountain National Forest close to Route 3 and approximately two miles from I-93.
Cause of death was strangulation. She was 32-years-old.
Fred

I can say that Riddle wasn't involved in this case because he was sentenced in May of 89.

"i am impatient.
the likelihood of a serial killer being at the very place and the very time where Maura was located along her travel route is improbable."

Snowy White, The likelihood of me accepting a ride from a person who had notebooks filled with details of murders and kidnappings allover the US seemed improbable. Yet it happened.

QUOTE who= Mason If y'all check out Silky Boxer's website listing 49 unsolved murders in New England, as I did, you should be able to figure out which ones were victims of the so-called Connecticut River Valley Killer. Plus, the exercise will get your inner detective going and you may need the practice to solve Maura's disappearance.
Look for patterns, connections, and modus operandi. I'll give y'all clue to get started. Start with Claremont, NH on Silky's map.
I'm starting to feel like I'm spamming..
I know how some people here feel about the whole psycic thing but.. As I've seen written Scroll On By.. Anyways, about 5 years ago I was at the Maine Mall standing outside a book store waiting for my daughter and her friend. Honest to God I heard -Claremont- clear as anything. Like someone said it right into my ear. I turned around and no one was close enough to me to have said it. When I got home I got on the internet and typed Claremont into the search engine. One of the results mentioned NH. I added the word unknown, the first result was about the river valley killer and asking where he is now. Label me nuts or lemons, whatever but there are some things in life that cannot be explained. There is a reason why I was able to walk out of those woods alive.

Guys - no need to perform militarily precise surgical strikes starting with attack dogs and mace - serving a second course of baseball bats and finishing him off with Apache helicopters armed with nuclear weapons - when someone so much as glances at Amherst.

It makes people wonder why _that_ response.

Don't let it fool you folks - there is no ulterior motive here.

They really aren't vicious at all.

The simple truth is that Atwood probably didn't lie about seeing Maura in the car. I mean if you want to believe Atwood lied - you have to believe he just guessed that the driver was a woman when asked by the dispatcher on the phone - and that Atwood didn't actually see the man who drive the Saturn up to the accident site to misdirect the investigation.

No - don't fall for this - you'll end up wasting months of time.

RE: Lovie Lee Riddle, Jr.

I googled Lovie Riddle last night and didn't find out much. I also checked a bunch of other search engines.

He was released on parole in 1999, after serving 10 years on a 20-year sentence imposed in Maine in 1989, for gross sexual misconduct.

He pled guilty to (unarmed) bank robbery in federal court in 2005, and was sentenced to 51 months in prison. He was the getaway driver for his codefendant, who went into the bank and presented a teller with a note demanding money. She gave him $2,000 and he left. The getaway car was distinctive and easy to find. Both men were arrested without incident and later pled guilty.

Riddle has been released and now resides in Boston. He is 61-years-old. He is a registered sex offender.

I did not find any information about him prior to 1989.

Without more information, I lack a sufficient basis to form an opinion that he is a serial killer.

Fred