Joined: Oct 16, 2008
Comments: 471
Oakland, CA
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peripeteia wrote: Kaboom! Ahhhhhh!
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Joined: Oct 16, 2008
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Oakland, CA
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peripeteia wrote: This is not the only lie, but for now this will suffice to make the point that I am suspect of his statements? Other logically incompatible themes are: 1. SBD lied, but he didn't lie because Maura was there for sure. 2. The one driver was a man and a woman at the same time. 3. The car crashed on accident and the car was purposely moved 4.? Everyone has good reason to believe their 1/2 of the numerous contradictions in this case. No need for military attacks.
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“ Good B chillaxin - TY Scott”
Joined: Jun 12, 2008
Comments: 1128
Danvers, MA
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Benjamin Franklyne wrote: <quoted text> Ahhhhhh! you misread. often.
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Joined: Oct 16, 2008
Comments: 471
Oakland, CA
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Peri - which one of the Westmans are lied?
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Dawn
Omaha, NE
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Whoa.. Beagle.. I think the holocaust comment went a little too far .. We already know one of our members here had a family member in one of the camps.. That has nothing to do with Maura Murray.. play nice. your theory about chaput possibly link - surprised your not on a soap box... you connected the possbility long ago It is a full moon tho.
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White Wash
Lebanon, NH
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Just wondering if the one who disagree with this actually live around here? Those who actually live here THANK YOU for putting this as it truly is FACT! Beagle wrote: <quoted text> That's why they did it, and continue to do it - to discourage anyone else from coming forward. Also, their five year derogation of the Haverhill area residents in general and a few residents in particular is the kind of talk heard of those who believe in eugenics. If the FIT had been alive in Germany during the 1930's, they'd have all been the best Nazis. The FIT are a purely mean, ugly, nasty, vicious, depraved, and utterly dishonest group. They have zero love in their hearts for anyone, least of all Maura Murray. They are so low that they are using Maura Murray's disappearance and presumed death to spread their own version of hatred and division. They care about Maura Murray only to the extent that they can use her fate to advance their own vicious agenda. Inside, they're probably disappointed they could not take credit for the Holocaust.
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Joined: Oct 16, 2008
Comments: 471
San Mateo, CA
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Snowy White wrote: <quoted text> you misread. often. Thank you for the compliment.
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White Wash
Lebanon, NH
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I think most families, friends feel that anyone who takes their lives had it all but those who take their lives don't. Many will say afterwards the SIGNS where there they just couldn't accept them. paris wrote: Maura really had alot going on after high school. Staying active in sports, hiking, etc. I think some have painted a very good picture of Maura, her family, friends and relationship with Billy, Sharon, etc. Having to leave Westpoint must have been hard to do. Adjusting to a new school again, same thing. Add the long busy holiday and being back to school and ouch, time to sit down. She had a job lined up and a car coming in the next couple of weeks. Yes, she was upset that the car was totalled but everyone was looking for answers. Elsewhere, I'm with you. The first reports refer to family problems, issues...... If Maura did not write the emails and somebody with ill intent did, God speed the answers. If she did word it this way.....I'm puzzled. The friends came looking for her, there may have been something more to that feeling that something might be wrong. If anyone can ask them to speculate, express what was on their mind....ficticious example: Maura was not herself, someone was calling her, following her, whatever they can think of would help. AND THAT LATE NIGHT CALL Could be key
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Joined: Oct 16, 2008
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San Mateo, CA
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Snowy White wrote: <quoted text> guess i live under a rock. How's the weather in Gibralter anyway?
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Dawn
Omaha, NE
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paris wrote: When I'm here, I ask about Maura most of the time. If that isn't focus enough for some, then I give up. Again. You don't seem to want me here because why else cut me down? I don't use anyone as a punching bag, read back to page one and you'll see I try to be polite and I correct myself once I'm not. Keep coming back... each week it seems to be a different target or so... it has been me for awhile. you have alot to offer - so please keep coming back. K. It is a full moon so it could get a little weirder before it gets back to normal.. go figure.. Hope you stay Paris. Dawn
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White Wash
Lebanon, NH
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Elaborate how? Look at Atwood's first statement! Anything after that is subjected to have been added or changed! The family showed Atwood photos he replied "no her hair was down" Did the driver's hair look more like Kathleen's down? WW, stated on this forum that he was likely told to change his story regarding the driver of the Saturn's sobriety, however she refuses to elaborate on her statement. peripeteia wrote: <quoted text> Yes, the SBD likely did see Maura, but he did lie about things, and we have actually no proof of what he said to the Hanover dispatch, or if it was his wife that called, as he was no where near the phone when Haverhill call the SBD house a minute or so later?! Where did he go that he could not come to the phone? Odd! His/his wife's report to 911 dispatch has not been released and I wrote to the District's Attorney Generals Office and requested this information and was denied. Therefore any proof of who called from the SBD and what was said is not known to us, other than what was said from Hanover to Haverhill dispatch. It is no trap, it is what it is, SBD has told falsehoods, his motive for being untruth remains to be seen. Perhaps it is the old story of looking for 15 minutes of fame, perhaps it was out of fear, perhaps he lies allot? No one knows except the police because he has not stepped up to the plate to explain himself to the press, the public, or Detective Healy. Perhaps the police told him to but a lid on things, and he simply couldn't resist talking to the press. And BF, if you have just figured that it was a woman that the SBD reported seeing then perhaps you might want to read the SBD statements a little more closely. A grand jury might clear this matter up in a heart beat, but the wheels of justice are slow, and with a Judge telling the Murray's that "3 years is not such a long time to wait for answers in such cases" (murdered/missing, then it is understandable that the truth of what happened to Maura remains a mystery. An obstruction of justice charge is usually what happens to someone who lies during a criminal investigation. It is a serious matter. Initially the SBD stated to the press Maura was intoxicated, he changed his story, telling the family of Maura, the press and many others that she was not intoxicated, however the police state that the witness stated she was. Law enforcement has refused to discuss the SBD statements, which is quoted in the press. The District Attorney's Office refuses to reveal the call to 911/dispatch Hanover. WW, stated on this forum that he was likely told to change his story regarding the driver of the Saturn's sobriety, however she refuses to elaborate on her statement. If my words are considered trashing someone, it is what it is, he has been caught making different statement. The police could set this matter straight, but they choose not to, and the SBD refuses to step up to the plate to explain his statement and his actions of what transpired after he left the accident scene. This is not the only lie, but for now this will suffice to make the point that I am suspect of his statements? No offense meant to the man, he is the author of his words, and as a member of the public I and others have the right to question his contradictory statements.
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gvmeabrk
Weare, NH
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Suzanne wrote: <quoted text> CLASSIC This is exactly what I am talking about. Typical FIT remark. But he did sing or hum the tune! Or, is this incorrect?
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White Wash
Lebanon, NH
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Wonder if under a rock is better than those of us who live "in the middle of no where"? Rain "in the middle of no where"! Benjamin Franklyne wrote: <quoted text> How's the weather in Gibralter anyway?
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Dawn
Omaha, NE
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Mason wrote: <quoted text> No. It's a common misconception that "police are certainly trained to be exquisitely aware of their environment, and s/b able to report back with accurate detail about what they've observed." Police are as susceptible as civilians to making mistakes. The problem has to do with our memories and how they work. We recall by association, expectation, interpretation, and reconstruction whether we carry a badge, or not. Police are disadvantaged by another problem and that's the inherent difficulty in distinguishing similar incidents, DUI arrests for example, months later when they go to court and testify. Human memory is not reliable and accurate. Even when the witness is absolutely certain, he or she is likely to be mistaken. Approximately 70% of the 250 or so wrongful convictions of innocent people was due to mistaken eyewitness identification. These are cases where post-conviction DNA testing exonerated the innocent person. 60 Minutes devoted a segment of their show on Sunday to the Ronald Cotton case. Fred Fred I watched this 60 minutes show - innocent man in prison for rape - she identified him - they brought in real one she said not him......... turned out it was and dna proved it.. i think 11 years he spent in prison. they did a memory test with the news anchor and she made a mistake in viewing pictures - just a few minute a part. our memory is moldable
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Joined: Oct 16, 2008
Comments: 471
San Mateo, CA
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Truth is Peri - I value your efforts, along with everyone else's. I do see a lot of validity in what you say.
Snowy - the last two are just bantor.
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sophie bean
Monkton, VT
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WHITE WASH wrote: It would be in addition to the Major Crime Unit and is much needed. <quoted text> It seems extraordinarily redundant.
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sophie bean
Monkton, VT
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jmlh wrote: <quoted text> Sophie, In 1988 when Riddle was arrested for attacking me, He called himself "The Interstate Man" He claimed participating in over 30 murders and kidnappings across the US and Canada. He was questioned by Toronto police about a little girl that had disappeared named Nicole Morin. He has criminal records from Alabama to Maine. As to whether or not I think he had any involvement in Mauras disapearance all I can say is that he was NOT in jail on 2/9/04. I DO believe he was involved in the murders of the late 80's. Maybe not all of them, but some. He has been released again to a halfway house in Portland Maine. Too close. Thank you, jmlh, that helps. He is certainly not ruled out. I'd call him a very significant POI. I'm sorry to hear that he has been released.
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sophie bean
Monkton, VT
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jmlh wrote: "i am impatient. the likelihood of a serial killer being at the very place and the very time where Maura was located along her travel route is improbable." Snowy White, The likelihood of me accepting a ride from a person who had notebooks filled with details of murders and kidnappings allover the US seemed improbable. Yet it happened. Thank you so much, jmlh. This is a goode reminder that theory is one thing, actual facts can be very different. I remember all of the debate on MMM about "Occam's Razor" - the supposedly "correct" theory being the most obvious or likely one. As I said at the time, the most obvious answer is by no means always, or even mostly, correct. Clearly, your abduction was not a "random" event although it was opportunistic.
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sophie bean
Monkton, VT
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Dawn wrote: <quoted text> Sophie Bean I posted the link - here it is again. The govt does require a passport now - for mexico too. http://gocanada.about.com/od/canadatravelover... here you go. You do need a passport http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index... 2007 - by air 2008 - by car or walking on. I live on a border state . Dawn, you are still wrong. "Before June 1, 2009, U.S. citizens do not necessarily need a passport entering Canada by land or sea, but need valid ID that proves identity and citizenship." This is from the link you posted. Therefore, US customs officials who do not DEMAND to see your US passport when you return from another country BY LAND are NOT guilty of a horrible breach of homeland security, as you specifically insisted in a previous post. I live IN a border state as well.
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sophie bean
Monkton, VT
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Snowy White wrote: Maura Murray? or fascination with serial killers? I expect that there's a difference between "fascination" and inquiry into possibility, especially considering that there are at least 13 unsolved and highly similar murders within 50 miles of the site of Maura's disappearance.
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