Where is MAURA MURRAY

peripeteia wrote:

paris:
meant to say, if the red truck on Bradley Hill road it is the same red truck RO saw then it had to drive by the Weatherbarn.
It is possible that the red truck had a scanner in the car, and responded to Faith's call, and passed the accident scene and journey on to Bradley Hill Road and waited, or even walked through the woods to the accident scene.
Also, did the person coming from the hospital see the red truck. Did they see SBD.
Did the SBD see red truck at RO when he passed? Did RO see the SBD pass, believe she did not?
Yes the report of witnesses passing the saturn has always been a head banger, bad reporting?
thinking out loud hear, can't come to grips with what happened to Maura and law enforcements lack of any official statement.
A little help from law enforcement would be benefical, such as if they tested the DNA on the airbag, bottle and cap found, then they likely know if Maura was driving the car when the airbag detonated (lol) and if there was a passenger, and if Maura was in the car at all when the airbags exploded.
One would think that the residents of the area might be afraid that there is a killer loose, and one would think that law enforcement might make some statement regarding this matter, because if I lived there, I would be afraid. We know that the police do not think she ran away of her own volition and that this is a criminal investigation.
Can't follow that the police have not said anything to crush the fears that Maura might have been murdered there or abducted, why then are the police not revealing any information, and also, would not other people be at risk.
Of course I know the people who live in the area are concerned, very concerned, but just can't grasp why police do not address these fears.
I'm talking in circles, but just can't figure how the police are so sure someone else is not at risk
and have not addressed this issue? I would hope that the police have not given the people of the area a false sense of security. The only conclusion I can come up with is, Obviously if there is a suspect, he/they live elsewhere or the person is already in custody? What are we missing here?
Around and around we go, trying to calculate what happened?

***because if I lived there, I would be afraid.***
It's good you don't live here then. It would be awful to hide in your house for over 5 years and be afraid to step out the door.
Being concerned and being in fear are two different things entirely.
It's been 5 years. There is no proof that a murder, rape,abduction or any other crime was committed.
Women run and jog these roads every day, children ride their bikes, I and others fish the rivers, women still hike in the woods and go to work every day. And I haven't heard of anyone here turning up missing or killed by a serial killer.
Life goes on Peri and while I am certainly concerned and would love to know what happened on that corner I cannot and will not live my life in fear especially when I believe there is nothing to fear here.
Yes I know, now someone will jump in with the missing and murdered for tha past 30 years.
I'm sure if the police thought that the people here were in danger of being killed by a serial killer or abducted by someone in this area they would have issued a warning of some type.

Chief Williams did state that the Bottle had
been sent to the Lab.
I'm blonde but the fact that Fred Murray isn't
saying Maura wasn't driving says they gave him
some sort of proof she was driving!
Fred Murray is hell bent on her disappearing on the corner of Bradley Hill for a reason.

The FIT confirmed seeing police tape around
CW mobile home so if the bottle has been
sent to the lab why wouldn't they sent this stuff?

I guess living near where Maura disappeared I am probably a little more careful but given the fact
there is more evidence to me at least that she
left of own free will I don't believe a murder occurred in that area! Not saying somewhere but I honestly believe w/the first resources used and
the many many searches afterwards there would be SOMETHING belonging to Maura clothing,phone,knapsack, something would have surfaced I believe. The fact nothing else has
occurred makes me believe something happened else where.

Snowy White wrote:

"peripeteia"]
A little help from law enforcement would be benefical, such as if they tested the DNA on the airbag, bottle and cap found, then they likely know if Maura was driving the car when the airbag detonated (lol) and if there was a passenger, and if Maura was in the car at all when the airbags exploded.
***is it a reasonable expectation for LE to release information such as you desire from an ongoing investigation? do you believe they have an obligation to do so? should you approach them directly, and document their reply, once and for all?***
One would think that the residents of the area might be afraid that there is a killer loose, and one would think that law enforcement might make some statement regarding this matter, because if I lived there, I would be afraid. We know that the police do not think she ran away of her own volition and that this is a criminal investigation.
***i thought the police believe she is a runaway? i thought there is no evidence of a crime having been committed against Maura, and that her status is as a missing person? would it not be a leap for local residents to be fearful and conclude a killer is on the loose when they have not been alerted by LE that they are at risk?***
I'm talking in circles,...
***indeed***
Around and around we go,...
***indeed***

footprints - was it determined for sure what shoes she was wearing and what size? I don't recall hearing that. I could have missed it. Sorry if this is a duplicate.

First day of spring is right around the corner. I have not heard if another search will be done. I don't know if they used the dogs that are trained for water. We don't know where they actually searched......... from one of peri's visions I can't stop thinking about the pond - especially since it was mentioned specifically. Could be just a common thing for the locals since it is close........

It was started that the Murrays hired a PI in Feb 04 and you have stated you joined in March 04.

My question is this the Murrays had the car,computer,all her belongs during this time
why where they never investigated by the the PI's?

Probably would have answered the who question or a good start yes?

Detective Columbo wrote:

Where did she go and with whom?

Snowy White wrote:

seven (7!!) wild turkeys wandered into the yard at and were surrounding the birdfeeder at 6:45 this morning.

Ah ha! The old "I was watching the wild turkeys loot the bird feeder" trick.

Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

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Ah ha! The old "I was watching the wild turkeys loot the bird feeder" trick.

the local dentist has since reported bird-crashing in 2/09, also in the vicinity...and produced pix of a local 45 lb. wild one crashing thru a large window, devastating a home office, and succumbing to injuries. these are hard facts.
my photographer, a relative, should soon provide bird-sighting pix for my avatar...that is, if i feed him properly.

White Wash wrote:

Chief Williams did state that the Bottle had
been sent to the Lab.
I'm blonde but the fact that Fred Murray isn't
saying Maura wasn't driving says they gave him
some sort of proof she was driving!
Fred Murray is hell bent on her disappearing on the corner of Bradley Hill for a reason.
The FIT confirmed seeing police tape around
CW mobile home so if the bottle has been
sent to the lab why wouldn't they sent this stuff?
I guess living near where Maura disappeared I am probably a little more careful but given the fact
there is more evidence to me at least that she
left of own free will I don't believe a murder occurred in that area! Not saying somewhere but I honestly believe w/the first resources used and
the many many searches afterwards there would be SOMETHING belonging to Maura clothing,phone,knapsack, something would have surfaced I believe. The fact nothing else has
occurred makes me believe something happened else where.
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thank you, WW, for your informed reply.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>but, either she did up and leave the amhers area for some reason or she disappeared in Amherst.

I just don't know. Someone may have lied to her or lured her into something she could not get out of. In which case, it would be pretty smart to grab things that would make it seem like Maura left of her own free will. Then kidnap her or something while the car is driven or towed to NH.
One thing that has nagged at me is this movie Maura thought was so funny. It was the best in her eyes. I cannot recall the name and will be gone all day......But the movie was about leaving your life to begin a new one. I might have brought this up before, just to drop it. But there's a chance Maura wanted it to look like she is gone so she can live a new life somewhere else. Does anyone recall the movie, or the name of it? Ben, maybe use your powers to find it.....
I mean no disrespect and I think this is worth looking at, just in case.

I think it is on her site in the all american girl series.. i will go check

I can't seem to find it. I believe it is in the article that talks about the onion.

Beagle wrote:

<quoted text>2000 miles? That's absurd. Why do you try to make this junk up? 2000 miles? Less than 10 percent of that. Maybe less than 99 percent of that.

Mauras disapperance was in NH. David died in Texas. 2000 miles and 7 years apart. But you are claiming some sort of connection - correct? That they both passed through Mass at some time??

Bill

Snowy White wrote:

seven (7!!) wild turkeys wandered into the yard at and were surrounding the birdfeeder at 6:45 this morning.
they were tresspassing, and they are unattractive, but we are compassionate people...we kept the dogs indoors, while we took pictures. they were probably involved in 'searching'.
you never know which species will invade.
i must go to town hall today to update the dog registrations, and report this violation of our strict zoning laws.
owls are most welcome, the coyotes are less welcome and turkeys are tolerated....to a point. they are known to be, at least 'sterotypically' so, aggressive.
i could not have made this up.

SW How fortunate you are to have a wild turkey event. We love, cherish and aggressively protect all species on our property except human. We have seen a lot of deer lately. And my gardeners are getting bone weary of climbing trees to retrieve my bird suet feeders. The raccoons find it easier to take the entire metal feeder up into a tree and using their little humanoid hands they remove and eat the suet while perched on a branch. Incidentally wild turkeys are extraordinarily intelligent.

I lived in your neck of the woods while we were searching for our home - Pride's Crossing. Bliss.

Media attention.......... that link I sent to FC yesterday features a missing person from the same county I am from - 70K people. What is sad......... I never heard about it. Totally new to me.

I could see how shack mentioned that people in other towns were not aware. How sad - I never once saw a missing persons flyer or even knew until today and it was 10 years ago.

The missing need more media attention. The perp remains at large

Dawn wrote:

I can't seem to find it. I believe it is in the article that talks about the onion.

Bottle Rocket, that's what it was. Here's wiki's definintion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottle_Rocket

I should note I sent the link that features many missing - what i found most interesting is it shows how difficult they are to solve - resources - how long before searches begin - did they run away. you can find similaries in mauras case. It is too bad they just don't have the funding for the resources needed - with someone missing every 30 seconds per project jason site. heart breaking for the familes of the missing. it is like pulling teeth to get a resolution

Dawn wrote:

Media attention.......... that link I sent to FC yesterday features a missing person from the same county I am from - 70K people. What is sad......... I never heard about it. Totally new to me.
I could see how shack mentioned that people in other towns were not aware. How sad - I never once saw a missing persons flyer or even knew until today and it was 10 years ago.
The missing need more media attention. The perp remains at large

But the point is: Shack severely criticized the people for not being aware of a missing person! She went into her 3 monkeys thing.

For the following reasons, I doubt the unoccupied red pickup truck, which some unidentified person reportedly saw parked on the side of Bradley Hill Road approximately a half mile from the Rte 112 intersection, has any relevance to Maura's case.

1. We don't know what time the unidentified witness saw the pickup truck and we don't know when he or she mentioned seeing it or to whom he or she mentioned it.

2. Red pickup trucks may not be ubiquitous to the area, but I doubt they are so unusual as to reasonably support an inference that it was the same red truck that RO reported seeing.

3. A half mile is more than 700 yards and that distance seems too far from the Route 112 intersection to reasonably support an inference that the driver was interested in or had something to do with the accident and Maura's disappearance. I don't believe the intersection is visible from that the location where the truck was because the road curves and it's lined with trees on both sides obscuring the intersection from view.

4. Just because the driver was reportedly out of the truck and in the woods doesn't reasonably support an inference that the driver hiked through the woods back to the intersection to avoid being seen by a passing motorist. The observation, if true, reasonably supports an inference that the driver may have stopped to urinate, but we don't have sufficient information to draw any further conclusions.

5. Detective Columbo, who disclosed the tip about the parked red pickup truck, has not interviewed the tipster and I believe he also admitted that he doesn't know the tipster's identity, but will try to find out. He hasn't updated us, but he isn't required to, of course.

6. If the scent dog was following Maura's scent, she likely got into an E/B vehicle on Rte 112 before the Bradley Hill Road intersection. The only person I know about who was driving in that direction and may have arrived at the right time and place to stop and offer Maura a ride that she likely would have accepted is the Cottage Hospital employee, assuming the employee was a woman.

This tip is way too speculative for me to regard as anything more than potentially significant, depending on what information Detective Columbo obtains during his follow-up investigation. obtained during Detective Columbo's follow-up investigation.

Fred

Suzanne wrote:

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But the point is: Shack severely criticized the people for not being aware of a missing person! She went into her 3 monkeys thing.

oh.. well I am proof it happens.... I never heard about it or saw a flyer - a town with only 3 grocery stores - you would think you would see a flyer at one of them - no - my mother does not remember it either

Peri
Keep in mind - one person can't speak for the entire town. there were lots of kind people who helped search and could epathise with the family. It would be very normal for parents or females in the same age group would be more cautious. The natural thing to do if this was out of the norm or a rare event for the town. I don't think something like this had ever happend before in Haverhill.

Fred
interesting observation of the red truck. the dispatch log - showing a mar and red truck pulled over the next morning....... still puzzles me