Where is MAURA MURRAY

not expecting answers, other possibilities exist as well. It is also possible that the red truck driver owned a scanner. It is possible they agreed to met and Maura got in an accident, on purpose not on purpose, however given I do not believe Maura ran away, can only consider the worse case scenario and apologize for my narrowness of scope.The based the good will of the investigators and law enforcement to solve the mystery of Maura's disappearance and the resources supplied, and monies spent and efforts; Maura is not considered a run away. Resources are too critically in need to waste it on the frolick of a youth who chose to run away to start a new life, to be with a new love or for any other reason.

It seems far fetched that you could ask someone to use your phone to call your friends on the main street of a town and wind up murdered but it happened, Rooney had not stalked his victim, just happenstance to be asked by a lady to for the use of his phone.

peripeteia wrote:

There is every indication that Maura met with foul play; at this point this is not at issue, but everyone is free to believe that which they do.

Can you be a little more specfic on this? What exactly are those indications?

Snowy White wrote:

further, her "map" is produced as if to provide the answers to Maura's disappearance.
or maybe i'm just stupid to draw such a conclusion.

Excuse me, I said that she is not generally "idolized" which is true.
To my knowldege, she was not a psychic and didn't seem to be especially interested in psychics or profilers.
You are not "stupid to draw such a conclusion" - merely mistaken. I never heard her voice a specific theory about what happened to Maura, and she seemed very open to any reasonable theory. In fact, she told me more than once that she did not believe that all these cases are connected.
Her map represents FACTS and REAL PEOPLE (and I add, yet again, with REAL suffering families) who are missing or murdered. The fact that you don't like these facts is completely irrelevant, and doesn't make them any less facts.

WTF-the-original wrote:

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Occams razor. Good rule of thumb.
Bill

Bill, wouldn't you say that it's at least possible that this could prevent someone from looking at a less obvious solution which turns out to be the correct one?

sophie bean wrote:

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...and, of course, NONE of the people who are cheerfully gievn Rx for antidepression meds are misdiagnosed for the sake of selling meds. Furthermore, if that statistic were correct, it means that 1 out of every 2 people in the US are on antidepressants. In my household, 4 out of 4 are not on antidepressants. Hm.

I think its important to state that often, SSRI antidepressants are used for things other than depression . They are an excellent form of treatmentof anxiety as well as obsessive compulsive disorder also, not to mention irritable bowel syndrome. With the increase in autsm and ADD/ADHD that our country has seen, it has also increased the use of these medications to treat comorbid conditions. 9/11 and other events have also had serious impacts on people's lives, further increasing our "dependency" on substances that take the "sting" out of life's events. So, yes a good number of people are on SSRI's, but not necessarily for depression.

Wowzer wrote:

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***because if I lived there, I would be afraid.***
It's good you don't live here then. It would be awful to hide in your house for over 5 years and be afraid to step out the door.
Being concerned and being in fear are two different things entirely.
It's been 5 years. There is no proof that a murder, rape,abduction or any other crime was committed.
Women run and jog these roads every day, children ride their bikes, I and others fish the rivers, women still hike in the woods and go to work every day. And I haven't heard of anyone here turning up missing or killed by a serial killer.
Life goes on Peri and while I am certainly concerned and would love to know what happened on that corner I cannot and will not live my life in fear especially when I believe there is nothing to fear here.
Yes I know, now someone will jump in with the missing and murdered for tha past 30 years.
I'm sure if the police thought that the people here were in danger of being killed by a serial killer or abducted by someone in this area they would have issued a warning of some type.

It doesn't matter where you live, what you do, you are always at risk. It can eb an area of no crime, of lotsof crime, the reality is, it happens and each one ofus makes an informed decision every day to step outside of our homes and ito an unpredictable world.

hi Peripeteia and all. I have to ask the same thing Lookingforamoose asked and add it is at issue whether Maura left AMHERST and more so why and if she ever mad it to n.h..I am still waiting for evidence of a crime in N.H.I am still looking for a similar case where someone vanished and nothing was revealed about there prior life.I wil post when i find something take care philip

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>I think its important to state that often, SSRI antidepressants are used for things other than depression . They are an excellent form of treatmentof anxiety as well as obsessive compulsive disorder also, not to mention irritable bowel syndrome. With the increase in autsm and ADD/ADHD that our country has seen, it has also increased the use of these medications to treat comorbid conditions. 9/11 and other events have also had serious impacts on people's lives, further increasing our "dependency" on substances that take the "sting" out of life's events. So, yes a good number of people are on SSRI's, but not necessarily for depression.

I believe that we (the US) are now marketing it's 6th generation of SSRI's. I think Lexipro is generation 6. More, not less, people should be on SSRIs. There would be less violent crime, less road rage, much less domestic violence. SSRIs have a dramatic effect on rage and there seems to be a lot of rage filled people out there as evidenced just by reading the daily newspapers.

sophie bean wrote:

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Bill, wouldn't you say that it's at least possible that this could prevent someone from looking at a less obvious solution which turns out to be the correct one?

I can't speak for Bill but I use Occam's razor in referring to a statistical likelihood.

White Wash wrote:

It was started that the Murrays hired a PI in Feb 04 and you have stated you joined in March 04.
My question is this the Murrays had the car,computer,all her belongs during this time
why where they never investigated by the the PI's?
Probably would have answered the who question or a good start yes?
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Couldn't LE have copied the contents of the computer's hard drive, then let the Murrays have the computer for a while to see whether anyone changed anything or looked at something in particular, and then LE returned to get the computer and compare?

Also, the computer was in MA, correct? In Kennedy? Laptop or desktop?

Mason probably knows the answer to this question, but if, when the computer was released to the Murray family it was released by MA LE, then wouldn't it be normal for MA LE to at least accompany NHSP to a MA residence to retrieve the computer? Not mandatory, but it's a nearly universally observed courtesy.

It seems like this computer never left MA. And then it was scooped up by NHSP some weeks or months after it was released. Is there some kind of paperwork or something required for this action? Was the computer given to NHSP voluntarily? Did the person who possessed the computer at the time it was taken back by NHSP have any notice that NHSP would be coming to get it?

Wouldn't the PIs hired by the Murray family have advised them against even turning on the computer?

paris wrote:

<quoted text>I just don't know. Someone may have lied to her or lured her into something she could not get out of. In which case, it would be pretty smart to grab things that would make it seem like Maura left of her own free will. Then kidnap her or something while the car is driven or towed to NH.
One thing that has nagged at me is this movie Maura thought was so funny. It was the best in her eyes. I cannot recall the name and will be gone all day......But the movie was about leaving your life to begin a new one. I might have brought this up before, just to drop it. But there's a chance Maura wanted it to look like she is gone so she can live a new life somewhere else. Does anyone recall the movie, or the name of it? Ben, maybe use your powers to find it.....
I mean no disrespect and I think this is worth looking at, just in case.

Leaving Normal?

WTF-the-original wrote:

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Mauras disapperance was in NH. David died in Texas. 2000 miles and 7 years apart. But you are claiming some sort of connection - correct? That they both passed through Mass at some time??
Bill

David Marks did not die in Texas. I'm not sure he ever set foot in Texas. He died in the Hadley/Northampton area. I don't have the exact date in front of me, but it was late 1990's. It's entirely possible that David Marks and Maura Murray met the same fate within a very, very short distance of each other, but separated, obviously, by a half dozen years. They may have both had a unique and similar relationship with the same person. There is definitely some at least indirect, but usefully indirect, relationship between them. This is an irrefutable fact.

WTF-the-original wrote:

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Mauras disapperance was in NH. David died in Texas. 2000 miles and 7 years apart. But you are claiming some sort of connection - correct? That they both passed through Mass at some time??
Bill

Neither Maura Murray nor David Marks "passed through" Massachusetts at some time. They were, near as I can tell, virtually life long residents of Massachusetts. David Eliot Marks was born 2/23/1952.

Suzanne wrote:

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I believe that we (the US) are now marketing it's 6th generation of SSRI's. I think Lexipro is generation 6. More, not less, people should be on SSRIs. There would be less violent crime, less road rage, much less domestic violence. SSRIs have a dramatic effect on rage and there seems to be a lot of rage filled people out there as evidenced just by reading the daily newspapers.

not a porblem getting more people on them--have you seen the public water system test results lately? Most public water systems are loaded with SSRI's and anitepileptic medications which also are used to stabilize moods. So, to sum it up, feeling down, feeling depressed, irritable sometimes......drink more tap water! No need for a prescription at all!

sophie bean wrote:

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Excuse me, I said that she is not generally "idolized" which is true.
To my knowldege, she was not a psychic and didn't seem to be especially interested in psychics or profilers.
You are not "stupid to draw such a conclusion" - merely mistaken. I never heard her voice a specific theory about what happened to Maura, and she seemed very open to any reasonable theory. In fact, she told me more than once that she did not believe that all these cases are connected.
Her map represents FACTS and REAL PEOPLE (and I add, yet again, with REAL suffering families) who are missing or murdered. The fact that you don't like these facts is completely irrelevant, and doesn't make them any less facts.

if "she did not believe all these cases are connected", then perhaps you can explain the significance of the map representing clusters of the missing and murdered over a period of 25+ years as it relates to Maura's disappearance.

is the map still "in play" with regard to Maura's disappearance?

i'm temporarily 'stuck on stupid'.

Suzanne wrote:

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SW How fortunate you are to have a wild turkey event. We love, cherish and aggressively protect all species on our property except human. We have seen a lot of deer lately. And my gardeners are getting bone weary of climbing trees to retrieve my bird suet feeders. The raccoons find it easier to take the entire metal feeder up into a tree and using their little humanoid hands they remove and eat the suet while perched on a branch. Incidentally wild turkeys are extraordinarily intelligent.
I lived in your neck of the woods while we were searching for our home - Pride's Crossing. Bliss.

Bill Loeb, IIRC.

Sorry---completely uncalled for. It just gets to me when I have to instruct people to flush their left over medications down the toilet. It's been one of those weeks.

Paris, talk more about this book that Maura was so amused by. I have read anything about that until now.

Beagle wrote:

<quoted text>Neither Maura Murray nor David Marks "passed through" Massachusetts at some time. They were, near as I can tell, virtually life long residents of Massachusetts. David Eliot Marks was born 2/23/1952.

Tell me more Beagle. I googled that guy but can't find an information on him--just a prson with the same name in Texas

Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

Paris - I forgot a few things.
First - there is an Internet Archive called the Way Back Machine that might help:
http://www.archive.org/index.php
Also a News Library:
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives
Thing to know here is that some things won't show up at Google or Yahoo, but instead within some of these types of sites.
Also - White Wash - the first article Elsewherebriefly posted was from
Boston Globe, The (MA)- February 20, 2004
I just found it at News Library.
I think you will have good luck there.

jumping in here.. proquest is also a good source for news archives.

sophie bean wrote:

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...which is, of course, very significant because it has been established in the police report that the soda bottle was NOT there before Maura's car got there.

I presume this is sarcasm?