Where is MAURA MURRAY

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>I think its important to state that often, SSRI antidepressants are used for things other than depression . They are an excellent form of treatmentof anxiety as well as obsessive compulsive disorder also, not to mention irritable bowel syndrome. With the increase in autsm and ADD/ADHD that our country has seen, it has also increased the use of these medications to treat comorbid conditions. 9/11 and other events have also had serious impacts on people's lives, further increasing our "dependency" on substances that take the "sting" out of life's events. So, yes a good number of people are on SSRI's, but not necessarily for depression.

They also help sometimes with fibromyalgia, don't they?

This is not to enter into a debate as to whether antidepressants in general, or SSRIs specifically, are over-prescribed. Just a thought every time I hear that commercial on TV.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>It doesn't matter where you live, what you do, you are always at risk. It can eb an area of no crime, of lotsof crime, the reality is, it happens and each one ofus makes an informed decision every day to step outside of our homes and ito an unpredictable world.

Amen.

Suzanne wrote:

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I believe that we (the US) are now marketing it's 6th generation of SSRI's. I think Lexipro is generation 6. More, not less, people should be on SSRIs. There would be less violent crime, less road rage, much less domestic violence. SSRIs have a dramatic effect on rage and there seems to be a lot of rage filled people out there as evidenced just by reading the daily newspapers.

I don't know that rage is the issue that SSRIs are supposed to treat....but I *will* agree with you that this world, not just the country, needs a whole lot less rage.

It is my understanding that the Murrays never "hired" a PI, as PIs are expensive and the Murrays could not then and cannot now afford one, as they are in the same economic boat as many of the rest of us: middle class, and frankly in the middle of an economic s***storm.

This is the info that Peabody over on Websleuths conveyed.

FireCat wrote:

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I don't know that rage is the issue that SSRIs are supposed to treat....but I *will* agree with you that this world, not just the country, needs a whole lot less rage.

Rage and depression - two sides of the same coin.

Mason....The Chief states Smith arrived at the scene 3mins after the FW call.
7:29 FW call
3mins to scene
7:32

Smith himself writes in his accident report:
"At 1930, 2-9-04 I responded to the report of a car into a tree"

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>It doesn't matter where you live, what you do, you are always at risk. It can eb an area of no crime, of lotsof crime, the reality is, it happens and each one ofus makes an informed decision every day to step outside of our homes and ito an unpredictable world.

while i wholly agree the world is unpredictable, it is an overstatement to argue that "It doesn't matter where you live, what you do, you are always at risk." as if to suggest crime and violence cannot be prevented.

i contend the chances of becoming a victim are increased/decreased by a multitude of factors to include one's physical environment, time of day, vigilance, body language, and the effective management of one's social environment.

beyond this, of course, remain crimes of chance and opportunity.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>Tell me more Beagle. I googled that guy but can't find an information on him--just a prson with the same name in Texas

There's a limit on what can be said online, but it appears that Maura Murray and David Eliot Marks (b. 2/23/1952) knew, probably fairly well, the same person. By itself, this fact means very little, but if you know the local scene, then it makes a lot more sense and probably is far more relevant.

Marks, for a fact, was taking a variety of nutritional supplements and so on. He was a sometime runner and very knowledgeable about art in general, including local art, theater, and music. He was a highly intelligent person and very active in the local theater scene, including the Hampshire Shakespeare Company.

There is a huge variety of nutritional supplements, vitamins, medicinal herbs, and so on available in all kinds of stores from Stop and Shop to apothecaries like Sojourns in Westminster, Vermont and the Thyme place near Woodsville.

To oversimplify, I'll just lump them all together as the stuff you find in the same department at Whole Foods Market and similar stores. Much of this stuff is helpful, most of it is harmless, but some, especially if too much is taken, is very harmful.

It's not enough to just market - and make a big profit from - ordinary stuff like vitamins. You need to "discover" something. It needs to come from a special source. Not like blueberries or whatever. It has to come from Chinese oysters harvested and reduced (or whatever) using some kind of special technique... That kind of healing or health mystique.

Some of this stuff was developed in Amherst and marketed here and around the world. But I believe that some local people were similar in many respects to human guinea pigs. I believe that some people got very sick from it.

It's hard to explain all this online, but basically there's a pro-life approved way of extending life through taking this stuff and there an anti pro-life way of doing it. The late Richard O. Johnson represents the pro-life way of doing it. It's people associated with him that have an inordinate interest in the fate of Maura Murray. This level of interest is hard to explain.

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Mason wrote:

Maura's disappearance illustrates more powerfully and clearly why it's necessary to know the alleged victim's state of mind before attempting to formulate a theory. No one can reach any evidence-based conclusions without that information.

agree with your statement above.

i would further qualify, however, that compiling information and subsequently making a determination as to an alleged's victim's state of mind may be inaccurate under the best of circumstances; and as we know, medical information is protected and does not belong in the public domain.

The PI and his assistant(s) that investigated both the Murray and Bish cases, and who may still be "investigating" them, has worked closely over the years with several in the Pioneer Valley pro-life camp. But he has also worked for the best friend of a member of my immediate family. And that's where the common interests, mainly around money, diverge (with this "best friend"). Another "best friend," who is very close to the other "best friend" represents a large stake in these anti-aging, disease fighting kinds of supplements (for lack of a better term). IOW, I think it is very possible that the fox is guarding the chicken coop.

I think it is very possible (and I don't use the term lightly) that Maura Murray had some kind of physical ailment, maybe one she was not even really aware of, and that it was believed to be a result of having taken these nutritional supplements in a medically ill-advised way. I think that if she was diseased or dead, that she would have set back financially the people who were hoping to make and probably already were making some very big bucks on this junk.

Hang out at the supplement part of the natural foods stores and you will hear clerks virtually practicing medicine all day long. Even for infants not in the store. Things like a mother describing her infant's dehydration. "My one year old baby has had diarrhea and vomiting for three days now. What herb or supplement should I give her?" "Oh, this product will work very well on that," says the store clerk.

Call me old-fashioned (I've been called lots worse), but in my mind, that's child abuse. The child needs to go to a real doctor, a pediatrician or someone who can do real good. I'm not, by any means, giving a blank check to the conventional medical field, but some things, such as a child's possible illness, need to be addressed competently, not by a store clerk.

One of the problems is that the PI is closely associated with some professional people who are, in turn, very closely connected to some very big money invested in Whole Foods Market, based in Austin, Texas.

If you do some very detailed and tedious research on Red Coral Group and Rustic Canyon (or some investment names close to those), you'll see the connection between Whole Foods and an Amherst nutritional supplement business with close connections to the late Richard O. Johnson. Not to mention the connection to Saratoga Springs and John Regan.

This isn't the everyday kind of research most people are inclined to follow. It's just too complicated for them, so in their frustration they call it names like "bizarre and violent." Or diversionary. Either that or they're paid to attack.

That's one way of looking at Maura Murray's disappearance. The other way, of course, is the even more bizarre and violent theft of body parts for resale.

Either way, the groups are overlapping.

Suzanne wrote:

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Rage and depression - two sides of the same coin.

In some cases, yes. Not always a symptom, though.

according to a friend who had a conversation with our chief of police, it was his opinion that this town has enjoyed fewer occurences of crime due to access...the fact that there is "one way in and one way out".

i thought this is an interesting take on how LE uniquely manages safety and coordinates patrolling/enforcement strategies.

campus safety, IMO, is the greatest threat to the well-being of young people.

Snowy White wrote:

according to a friend who had a conversation with our chief of police, it was his opinion that this town has enjoyed fewer occurences of crime due to access...the fact that there is "one way in and one way out".
i thought this is an interesting take on how LE uniquely manages safety and coordinates patrolling/enforcement strategies.
campus safety, IMO, is the greatest threat to the well-being of young people.

Campus SAFETY is a threat? The biggest one to young people?

Just in case you've overlooked it from inside your well zoned town, not all young people go to college.

Did you ever consider that maybe things like drunk driving, drug abuse, and domestic violence are a possibly greater threat to ALL young people than campus SAFETY?

More elitist views from the nicely zoned gownie.

Should have written, "More elitist views from the nicely zoned gownieville."

jmlh wrote:

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jumping in here.. proquest is also a good source for news archives.

I should have thought of that because they own Heritage Quest and I think they do some work with Persi.

Mcsmom,

This funky site will not allow me to post a message listing the times certain events occurred as noted in the Grafton County Sheriff's Log.

Anyway, the times that I listed in earlier messages about the 911 calls, dispatch, and arrival times accurately reflect the times for those events listed in the log.

Fred

Snowy White wrote:

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agree with your statement above.
i would further qualify, however, that compiling information and subsequently making a determination as to an alleged's victim's state of mind may be inaccurate under the best of circumstances; and as we know, medical information is protected and does not belong in the public domain.

You're right and the family's desire to protect its privacy also should be respected.

Nevertheless, I hope the family has revealed everything it knows to LE because it isn't reasonable to expect LE to solve her disappearance without that information.

Beagle wrote:

<quoted text>Campus SAFETY is a threat? The biggest one to young people?
Just in case you've overlooked it from inside your well zoned town, not all young people go to college.
Did you ever consider that maybe things like drunk driving, drug abuse, and domestic violence are a possibly greater threat to ALL young people than campus SAFETY?
More elitist views from the nicely zoned gownie.

I believe our government is the greatest threat to the safety, health, and well being of every man, woman, and child in this country regardless of age.

Snowy White wrote:

according to a friend who had a conversation with our chief of police, it was his opinion that this town has enjoyed fewer occurences of crime due to access...the fact that there is "one way in and one way out".

Ah ha! The old "there is only one way in and out of town trick"

Maxwell Smart