Where is MAURA MURRAY

Snowy White wrote:

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i'm convinced it is the sustained back and forth that is cumulative and unhealthy.
if i owned a parrot, it might tell me to STFU for my own sake, at the very least.

Hahahahaha. I bet Mason gets told that all the time by his. ;-)

Suzanne wrote:

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Could we please hear some more about the red truck at the gallery. Because I just read this for the first time a couple of days ago. Is this 'old' news that I somehow totally missed. For those who seek an Amherst connection this could be something to ponder.

Whiston is the source of the red truck at gallery, knew nothing of it? No nothing of it now

Suzanne wrote:

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This is what I have been saying like a broken record - if SBD told the same facts to five different reporters, then what you would see printed would be five different stories.

Well it wasn't five different stories to five different news papers, it was five different stories to same newspapers, there is no question he lied, he was caught in a lie re: different stories to different new papers, same new papers, re: Maura drinking, Maura not drinking, he was a police man, he went to his house and called right away, neighbour said he stayed on his bus, and the stories go on and on.

Read weepers posts re: sbd stories

peripeteia wrote:

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Whiston is the source of the red truck at gallery, knew nothing of it? No nothing of it now

I thought Beagle dropped that bomb.

peripeteia wrote:

red truck at gallery and red truck at Stage Stop Store, one in the same, this seems a quantum leap, and obviously there is information unknown to me that could lead a person to come to this conclusion.
I think it important to weigh the behavior of the red truck driver witnessed by RO. The intial impression he left her with was one of fear and suspicion. Given that initial impression I have always felt this driver was a predator and on the prowl. The truck driver did not give me the impression of waiting for someone specific, or that he was a look out. Just my opinion.

I don't agree because the driver was too obvious. First, he passed RO as she was walking toward the Stage Stop on the 112. He slowed down and actually stopped, presumably to get a better look at RO. Problem is he stopped close enough to her to allow her not only to get a good look at his pickup, she was close enough to get a good luck at the license plate.

He parks in the Stage Stop parking lot and when she walks into the well lit area, he leaves and heads down the 112 toward the Weathered Barn.

This conduct seems more consistent with a person with good intentions looking for someone and not at all concerned with drawing attention to himself.

Assuming he didn't turn off on a side road, he would have reached the accident before the SBD. He obviously didn't stop to take a look or the Westman's would have seen him. Maybe he was the guy FW saw smoking the cigarette, assuming FW wasn't mistaken about the person's gender and the cigarette. The car was about 80 yards away and I have no idea how good her vision was.

Could he have driven past the Saturn, turned right on Bradley Hill Road, parked his truck a half mile up the road and walked back through the woods? Maybe, but why park so far away? That's a long walk through the woods in the dark with the possibility of making enough noise to set off a severe case of barking mania by neighborhood dogs. When the SBD arrives, he isn't there. Why would he have walked all that way, smoked a cigarette, and walked all the way back to his truck leaving Maura with the Saturn?

Sure doesn't seem like someone with trouble in mind.

Since we don't even know when the witness saw the truck parked by the side of the road and there must have been more than one red pickup truck in the Woodsville area, I'm inclined to conclude that we have a possibility worth investigating but insufficient information to draw a conclusion.

peripeteia wrote:

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Well it wasn't five different stories to five different news papers, it was five different stories to same newspapers, there is no question he lied, he was caught in a lie re: different stories to different new papers, same new papers, re: Maura drinking, Maura not drinking, he was a police man, he went to his house and called right away, neighbour said he stayed on his bus, and the stories go on and on.
Read weepers posts re: sbd stories

From time to time I've been interviewed by reporters covering one of my trials and I have to say that I don't think any of them ever got what I said 100% right.

Mason wrote:

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From time to time I've been interviewed by reporters covering one of my trials and I have to say that I don't think any of them ever got what I said 100% right.

Never believe anything you read in the print media. Never. Take it all with a grain of salt. They alter, change, embellish, exaggerate and most importantly try to make what was reported to them "more interesting". You can read your own stated words and not recognize them. They are changed beyond all recognition. View Ouija's above post - 180 degrees.

My above post is what I believe happened to SBD in his encounters with the media.

Yes, it was Whiston that offered the Amherst gallery/red truck connection. So Whiston can you please tell us more about this?

Not being good with logistics.... was the man who was (witnessed by one person) smoking the cigarette in the passenger seat of the Saturn AFTER Maura disappeared from the scene? If so, and if it was a family member, did that person have an extra set of keys to lock the doors behind him? Just wondered if it was Fred waiting for Maura to return to the car?

THIS is one of the places we go in our thoughts with no information! And I am not dissing ANYone!

quija wrote:

Not being good with logistics.... was the man who was (witnessed by one person) smoking the cigarette in the passenger seat of the Saturn AFTER Maura disappeared from the scene? If so, and if it was a family member, did that person have an extra set of keys to lock the doors behind him? Just wondered if it was Fred waiting for Maura to return to the car?
THIS is one of the places we go in our thoughts with no information! And I am not dissing ANYone!

No, FW saw the person she described as a man smoking a cigarette sometime between the crash and when she called 911.

Wish I could have the brains a lot of you have - so many thought provoking statements! But I'll share my thoughts just in case something I write may make sense or spark a healthy debate re: Maura.
The supervisor suggests to Maura she should seek counseling the night of Maura's breakdown/mysterious phone call: I can't wrap my head around this. I'm sure we've all had an experience with family/friend that is going through a traumatic experience in their life. When or why have or would any of you suggest for this person to seek counseling? I would (and have) under the following: when the person was going through a messy divorce and she felt she couldn't handle the day to day struggle; and when a friend mentioned he thought about suicide. I don't think I would suggest counseling for a single breakdown--maybe if the person was suicidal/homicidal. When and why would you suggest counseling? For Maura's supervisor to suggest counseling that night seems drastic in the context of Maura was so upset after a phone call - even if she was bawling her eyes out and had to be escorted to her room. Anyone understand what I'm trying to convey? Is it worth talking about?

My other "I don't know if it's important" thought": SBD's girlfriend stating she didn't know where the driver of the vehicle was (when she was on the phone with 911)...
That's a strange thing to say, imo. You drive by a broken down car and see the assumed driver looking under the hood; you get home and decide to call for help; the person asks - "Was someone with the vehicle?" Wouldn't you answer a simple "Yes." or "He was when I drove by." But to answer "I have no idea where the driver is..."
I don't get that.

Distances, times, and that damn red pickup!

Cottage Hospital is located in Woodsville at the intersection of Dartmouth College Road and Swiftwater Road. Swiftwater Road becomes Goose Lane a mile beyond the hospital. The distance from the hospital to the Goose Lane intersection with Rte 112 is 4.80 miles (3.80 miles from the point where Swiftwater Road becomes Goose Lane). According to Weeper, a police vehicle with its emergency lights on passed the hospital employee as both vehicles were headed toward Swiftwater on Goose Lane. We now know that Sgt Smith was en route to the accident that FW reported at 7:27 pm when he passed the hospital employee. We also know from the Grafton County Sheriff’s Department Log that Sgt Smith was dispatched at 7:29:30 and he reported that he was en route to the accident at 7:29:36. We don’t know where he was when he was dispatched and when he reported that he was en route.

According to Weeper, Sgt Smith turned the wrong way when he reached Rte 112 because when the hospital employee reached the Goose Lane intersection with Rte 112, he or she saw Sgt Smith drive through the intersection headed E/B on Rte 112.

This could have happened in one of three ways.

a. Sgt Smith might have driven on Goose Lane to Rte 112 (4.80 miles) and turned left, or W/B on Rte 112. Realizing that he should have turned right, he pulled a U-turn and passed through the Goose Lane intersection just before the hospital employee arrived. We don’t know how far he might have traveled before he realized his mistake and turned around. This route is the shortest distance from the hospital to the Goose Lane intersection on Rte 112 (4.80 miles).

b. He may have turned left off Goose Lane onto Cemetery Lane , driven to Rte 112, and turned right heading E/B on Rte 112 toward the accident. This route from the hospital to the Goose Lane intersection on Rte 112 is a little farther (5.11 miles).

c. He might have turned left onto Sawyer Hill Road and turned right onto Rte 112 a short distance from the Rte 302 intersection. This is the longest route from the hospital to the Goose Lane intersection on Rte 112 (6.56 miles).

The distance from the Goose Lane intersection on Rte 112 to the Stage Stop convenience store is 0.07 miles. The distance from the store to the accident is 1.06 miles. Add the two to get the distance from the Goose Lane intersection to the accident (1.13 miles).

Therefore the shortest route from the hospital to the accident scene is 5.93 miles. We know the hospital employee traveled this route, but we don’t know how fast he or she was driving. Assuming an average speed of 30 mph, he or she would have taken approximately 12 minutes to reach the accident after leaving the hospital. Not counting time spent during his detour by turning in the wrong direction on Rte 112, Sgt Smith would have taken approximately 6 minutes to reach the accident after passing the hospital, if he maintained an average speed of 60 mph.

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PART 2 FINAL

According to Weeper, the hospital employee arrived at the Goose Lane intersection with Rte 112 in time to see Sgt Smith drive through the intersection on Rte 112 heading E/B toward the accident. Since Sgt Smith arrived at the scene at 7:46:20, we can conclude that he passed by the Stage Stop convenience store at approximately 7:45 pm, if he maintained an average speed of 60 mph. Even if he was driving slower, he should have passed the Stage Stop no earlier than 7:44 pm.

RO said she saw Sgt Smith pass the store 20-30 minutes after she entered the store following her encounter with the mysterious red pickup truck. Assuming her time estimate was accurate, she entered the store between 7:14 pm and 7:24 pm. Since the red pickup left the store parking lot after she walked into the well lit area, we can conclude that the red pickup left the parking lot and headed E/B on Rte 112 toward the scene of the accident sometime between 7:10 pm and 7:20 pm.
FW called 911 to report the accident at 7:27 pm after watching the scene for an undetermined period of time. She reportedly heard the accident just after 7 pm. This time fits with RO’s recollection of first encountering the red pickup at approximately 7 pm as she was walking up a hill on Rte 112 toward the store. The Saturn must have already passed through the area on Rte 112 between Bunga Road and the Stage Stop because she didn’t see it.

Assuming the red pickup continued E/B on Rte 112 without turning down a side road or parking after leaving the store parking lot, it would have arrived at the accident scene sometime between 7:12 pm and 7:22 pm, which is before FW’s 911 call and the SBD’s arrival.

I’m not aware of the Westmans reporting that they saw it. They may have missed it, if it passed by without stopping. The driver may have parked somewhere nearby and approached the Saturn on foot without them seeing him. Perhaps the driver was the male smoking a cigarette that FW described in her 911 call at 7:27 pm.

Fred

ScooterD wrote:

My other "I don't know if it's important" thought": SBD's girlfriend stating she didn't know where the driver of the vehicle was (when she was on the phone with 911)...
That's a strange thing to say, imo. You drive by a broken down car and see the assumed driver looking under the hood; you get home and decide to call for help; the person asks - "Was someone with the vehicle?" Wouldn't you answer a simple "Yes." or "He was when I drove by." But to answer "I have no idea where the driver is..."
I don't get that.

I don't either.

Fred

ScooterD wrote:

Is it worth talking about?

Yes - to my mind - I would think that some detail of a friend's experience _or_ a statement that would give me concern for a person would be a reason behind suggesting seeking a counselor - but those details have not been discussed.

Does anyone want to bet that the SBD didn't see a red pickup truck in the area near the accident?

How about betting that he did and he recognized the driver, but didn't tell the cops?

Mason wrote:

Does anyone want to bet that the SBD didn't see a red pickup truck in the area near the accident?
How about betting that he did and he recognized the driver, but didn't tell the cops?

I'll bet if the looser pitches in a small amount for food or drinks the next time there is a search for Maura.

One final thought for the evening.

I hope the searchers searched the area where the driver of possibly the same red pickup truck was in the woods. Nicholaou and other serial killers have been known to kill their victims immediately.

Was the driver of the red pickup getting rid of a human body?

Worth checking the area even if the searchers checked it before. Wouldn't be the first or last time searchers missed a body.

Fred