Where is MAURA MURRAY

ScooterD wrote:

"It's as if Maura Murray did not exist until she disappeared." Profound statement Beag.
After 3-4 years of following these forums, in the last few days I've come to the same conclusion it seems several of you have expressed - no idea how we can be of any help with M's LBD (life before disappearance) so secretive. I sit and try to wonder why would I keep a family members LBD secretive. How could this benefit in any way to help find her? If LE told me to keep "hush"..after awhile I'd be frustrated/ticked off and start talking to anyone willing to help. UNLESS, I KNEW FOR SURE that LE had evidence my missing family member was deceased; they had evidence of whodunnit but not enough yet to arrest. Maybe then I'd stay quiet??

so true

Let's say, just for example, that the bus driver drove a bus owned by one person. Altogether, that's one bus owned by one person who is also the bus driver's employer. For the moment, forget about an international chain of buses.

Would this fact be dismissed out of hand - summarily and immediately rejected - if the driver's employer worked across the street from SW?

Or you can also think of it this way. Forget it was a bus driver that stopped. Make believe it was a dump truck driver. The dump truck was owned by someone who owned only one dump truck. The dump truck driver was employed by the dump truck owner. The dump truck owner/employer worked across the street from SW.

Would there be any reason to have some interest in this? Would that be considered worth looking into a little more?

I would really like some feedback on this - without the nonsense of their being some 700 plus First Student offices across the country, which is completely off the track here. Please address only, for now, the single bus or single dump truck hypo. Thank you.

ScooterD wrote:

"It's as if Maura Murray did not exist until she disappeared." Profound statement Beag.
After 3-4 years of following these forums, in the last few days I've come to the same conclusion it seems several of you have expressed - no idea how we can be of any help with M's LBD (life before disappearance) so secretive. I sit and try to wonder why would I keep a family members LBD secretive. How could this benefit in any way to help find her? If LE told me to keep "hush"..after awhile I'd be frustrated/ticked off and start talking to anyone willing to help. UNLESS, I KNEW FOR SURE that LE had evidence my missing family member was deceased; they had evidence of whodunnit but not enough yet to arrest. Maybe then I'd stay quiet??

And let them ramble on?

LvsNH wrote:

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Please check your facts Suzanne - 3 semesters equals one and one half years at West Point.
From http://whitmanhansonexpress.com/index.php...
"The couple met while studying at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point and began dating in the fall of 2001. After three semesters, Maura transferred to UMass to continue her studies. "Military just wasn't for her," said Andrea Connolly, a high school friend who ran on the track team with Maura."

Read the above glowing article on Maura, states she entered WP June 2000, left early Jan 2001. June July early Aug were non-academic boot camp meaning she had one semester at WP. Who knows what is true. We certainly don't. We know nothing not even the most basic fundamental and harmless facts. There are forces out there that are ensuring that we don't know these facts. I have to wonder why. Although I 'm not sure that I care anymore.

ScooterD wrote:

"It's as if Maura Murray did not exist until she disappeared." Profound statement Beag.
After 3-4 years of following these forums, in the last few days I've come to the same conclusion it seems several of you have expressed - no idea how we can be of any help with M's LBD (life before disappearance) so secretive. I sit and try to wonder why would I keep a family members LBD secretive. How could this benefit in any way to help find her? If LE told me to keep "hush"..after awhile I'd be frustrated/ticked off and start talking to anyone willing to help. UNLESS, I KNEW FOR SURE that LE had evidence my missing family member was deceased; they had evidence of whodunnit but not enough yet to arrest. Maybe then I'd stay quiet??

Actually, there's plenty that can be done. Not by everyone, but there's still plenty to look at if you do it right. One of the first things to look for is some realistic indication of mis-direction or misinformation.

You can also analyze and think over very carefully statements already made and compare them to possible reasons Maura Murray might have kept so quiet about something.

"It's as if Maura Murray did not exist until she disappeared." Profound statement Beag.
ditto

Another thing that can be done is to figure out where Maura Murray might have lived or spent considerable time off campus. This fact alone could be a valuable indication of what happened to her.

Beagle wrote:

<quoted text>I was under the impression that Maura was at WP for 3 completed semesters. And then at UMass for 2-3 completed semesters. I was also under the impression that she was 21 when she disappeared. Now even this is unknown?

She was born May 4, 1982

Beagle wrote:

<quoted text>And let them ramble on?

yeah..good point.

Beagle wrote:

<quoted text>So why don't they say so? And why did they at least tacitly endorse a previous forum, stamped with their seal of approval (so the public was told) for about 4 years?

Because they had that forum completely under their control. Helena Murray ran it with an iron hand. This forum of Helena's was not allowed to whisper the word Amherst. Pike and Whiston did and were banned.

Dawn wrote:

"It's as if Maura Murray did not exist until she disappeared." Profound statement Beag.
ditto

Now it's profound? Only about the tenth time it's been said. But thanks anyway.

Suzanne wrote:

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Because they had that forum completely under their control. Helena Murray ran it with an iron hand.

Why run it with an iron hand?

ScooterD wrote:

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She was born May 4, 1982

Not questioning you, Scooter, but is this birthday from a reliable source?

Also, was Maura Murray born in a hospital? Anyone know this? For sure?

Beagle wrote:

<quoted text>Why run it with an iron hand?

I don't know. But I do know an iron hand when I see one. I can only guess -??? because of fear the truth will come out ???

Could a backhoe have dug, at the rifle range or nearby, a hole big enough for burying a body during February, 2004? Even if the ground was frozen and rocky. IIRC, that winter was a fairly mild one, possibly the warmest in the last hundred years or more. Thank you.

Beagle wrote:

<quoted text>Not questioning you, Scooter, but is this birthday from a reliable source?
Also, was Maura Murray born in a hospital? Anyone know this? For sure?

You can question me - I just knew the date from the home page of mauramurraymissing site.

Hi all ,i never thought Helena ran the old forum with an iron hand. I think of her, as i do Sharon Rausch even though we have never spoken. I think of them as good and decent people who i trust and were, and are, doing what they can with the facts they were provided with at the time.I know i annoyed them with my questions about Amherst and Mauras ' prior life and for that i am really sorry.The fact remains it is as if Maura never existed before feb09 2004.Sometimes i really wonder if this is someones pet project and i await the book announcement.take care philip

Suzanne wrote:

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Read the above glowing article on Maura, states she entered WP June 2000, left early Jan 2001. June July early Aug were non-academic boot camp meaning she had one semester at WP. Who knows what is true. We certainly don't. We know nothing not even the most basic fundamental and harmless facts. There are forces out there that are ensuring that we don't know these facts. I have to wonder why. Although I 'm not sure that I care anymore.

Read again -

"Maura met her boyfriend, Billy Rausch, in the fall of 2001 while attending West Point."

Maura was at West Point in the fall of 2001, she did NOT leave early Jan. 2001.

Suzanne wrote:

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I don't know. But I do know an iron hand when I see one. I can only guess -??? because of fear the truth will come out ???

Okay, so you believe the ex-MMM forum was run with an iron hand, but you can only guess why.

Is it possible for you, or anyone, to KNOW why instead of merely guessing? Or learning why? If a poster does learn why, should she divulge the reason?

Should posters on this thread, or any thread or forum, look for the reason the ex-MMM forum might have been run, as you say, with an iron hand?

If the ex-MMM forum was "run with an iron hand," and a poster discovers why, should that reason be stated here on this thread? In PMs? Emails? On another forum?

If the reason for the "iron hand" is easy to discover and it has not been discovered, or at least publicly acknowledged or disclosed as having been discovered, then why not?

ScooterD wrote:

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You can question me - I just knew the date from the home page of mauramurraymissing site.

Okay, thanks much. Appreciate it.