Where is MAURA MURRAY

White Wash wrote:

They probably would have if they wheren't being
sued as they can not TALK TO THE FAMILY!
The family has someone at the AG's office who
is speaking with them!
I'm sorry it's not what you think it should!
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They are being sued for not giving out information to the family, and you are stating things as fact that the Family has been looking for answers. You see the importance of your fact stating and the ramifications of this????

Stating things as fact that no one else knows, and implying you know the results of DNA testing and implying that the police have told you things because this is the only way to state some of your facts. Gee seems clear to me that you need to explain how you know the things you have stated to be fact, perhaps you wish to repost you list of facts. Perhaps not, this is in your lap.

Perhaps your definition of fact is not really what the word fact means?

White Wash wrote:

Speaking of threating this sounds to be a bit to me!
People who live in glass houses really should
learn not to throw rocks on this forum!
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JMO but it also sounds threatening to me too WW. She's taking your words and twisting them to make liars and or criminals out of the people you spoke to and putting the blame on the PD, SBD and you for saying and doing the wrong thing.
Be careful WW or she will use your words to her advantage whatever that is.
It's certainly not trying to help Maura in my opinion.

peripeteia wrote:

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Nor is the investigation influenced by your repeated pontification and if all so silly, what are you doing here, other than discussing what is appropriate or inappropriate since you believe Maura ran off to start a new life. You views amount to little more than jumping on the bandwagon of the day to save this poster or that, and has little to do with lobbying for justice for Maura and others.
No one I know appointed you as Moderator, say something for a change that is not judgemental.

What exactly have YOU done to help Peri besides attacking the locals, stating wrong information (that you've been corrected several times for) getting posters in trouble, using words against people and writing book length posts that the normal person has trouble understanding?
You are in full attack mode today for some reason and it is very damaging to this forum in my opinion. And you talk about others???

Wowzer wrote:

Peripeteia wrote:***Yes INDEED Maura needs to be found,as well as other missing people, and the perpetrators of murder victims in NH; however we cannot do this unless anyone else comes forward with new information***
Are you kidding? Do you really think anyone is going to come forward with information if they have any after reading your posts? You've reported WhiteWash and Suzanne so far today for their words. Who's next??? Not me because today will be the end of my posting here. I'm not wasting anymore of my time walking along riverbanks or in the woods only to be attacked and or accused of saying something not quite right and being reported for it. You Peri can come down here and do it. You seem to be able to give orders, report posters and get them in trouble, speak untruths and be an a** so maybe you can do better to find clues and facts than the people that live here.After all you know sooooo much and are soooo smart.
This MM forum has turned into a huge joke because of people like you.
I hope WW sees how her words are being used against her before you or someone else turn it into a legal issue.
As far as Suzanne goes I saw no threat.But then I don't see things that aren't there or hear them go bump in the night either.

W.

No this forum is a joke, and allot of rude and uncalled for remarks, like yourself, and people state things as fact and do not explain themselves.

When you state things as fact in a criminal investigation, especially when the family is suing for facts,because they have been denied information, it is what it is???

I have never reported anyone or complained to Moderators about anyone, but you know it just has gone to far. Out in left field.

Yes I have asked people to come forward with information, and I do not believe for a minute that it should be posted here, because I have seen how people are treated who bring forth information, and I certainly did not give RO a hard time and I asked her to come forward, so you are talking about someone else here other than myself.

All information should be given to the police and not posted here.

However, when you state certain things as fact unknown to others, and it appears to come from the police and during a criminal investigation, this goes beyond the beyond.

I would gladly search, and your other comments, well you do that from time to time, go off a bit at the mouth with disparaging remarks, sorry you do do that, to me and others because you disagree. And I believe you said you were Not posting a number of times before.

What you are not going to post anymore because I DEMAND someone to explain themselves when they state things are fact in a criminal investigation? Humm?!

I as a citizen demand an explanation of someone who states publically things are facts, and you are no longer going to help the missing/murdered, ya that makes allot of sense to me, not an iota.

Well that is too bad, because you are needed. White Wash is needed?

White Wash has the opportunity to reframe her remarks, as well as Suzanne.

No doubt in my mind we will hear from you again, and keep up your work looking for the missing.

peripeteia wrote:

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It is not a threat but challenge for you to explain your so called FACTS. No threat but fact, I will be writing to police and ask how you know these things to be fact and will forward a copy of the post.
Trouble is you throw around things that are so called facts and no sources. Some of what you say is fact, but unless you are willing to prove what you say, you should not state it as fact.
No offense meant, you have done some great work, and take great pictures, but unless you say I feel, I think, I believe but to state things as fact in a criminal investigation, you need to stand up and be counted, and answer how you know these to be fact because the only source is the police who could state some of the things you state as fact.
And you state things that no one else states to be fact
You still not have answered the questions, or explained your so called facts, nice try at diversion, but I won't let it go since the DA has stated that no more information will be released as this on going investigation.

Peri wrote:***It is not a threat but challenge for you to explain your so called FACTS. No threat but fact, I will be writing to police and ask how you know these things to be fact and will forward a copy of the post.***
Do you have any idea how much running WW did on her own time to try to help? How does it feel Peri to kick her in the teeth for all that help?
You're a real piece of work.
Let see so far today you've repeorted WW and Suzanne to Topix and now are going to try getting WW in more trouble by forwarding her posts to the PD. Unbelievable and quite disturbing!!!
It sure makes me wonder what your real agenda is.

Wowzer wrote:

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JMO but it also sounds threatening to me too WW. She's taking your words and twisting them to make liars and or criminals out of the people you spoke to and putting the blame on the PD, SBD and you for saying and doing the wrong thing.
Be careful WW or she will use your words to her advantage whatever that is.
It's certainly not trying to help Maura in my opinion.

Not twisting them, you are twisting remarks to make it appear that others have stated facts, when simply you yourself should be asking for an explanation of these so called facts.

I have no purpose here, none, just looking for facts, my other purpose to lobby for justice for murdered victims and missing people is completed with the announcement of the cold case squad.

Wowzer wrote:

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What exactly have YOU done to help Peri besides attacking the locals, stating wrong information (that you've been corrected several times for) getting posters in trouble, using words against people and writing book length posts that the normal person has trouble understanding?
You are in full attack mode today for some reason and it is very damaging to this forum in my opinion. And you talk about others???

You jest, damaging to forum, this forum is a disgrace, and I am in full mode because Suzanne made threatening remarks naming posters, and White Wash has stated things she cannot know unless they are not facts, or they came from police.

I have never said one iota of the awlful things you and others have stated here. I have written to officals, police, lobbied for justice, and requested the assistance of PI to join, an autoreconstructionist, put together time lines, researched information. That would be enough for
any one person, who has no vested interest, other than I was asked to come to the original forum by the family to help out. Nothing really of importance, just one voice that cares and seeks justice.

I THOUGHT YOU WERE NOT LONGER POSTING, I KNEW THIS TO BE BALARNEY

Wowzer wrote:

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Peri wrote:***It is not a threat but challenge for you to explain your so called FACTS. No threat but fact, I will be writing to police and ask how you know these things to be fact and will forward a copy of the post.***
Do you have any idea how much running WW did on her own time to try to help? How does it feel Peri to kick her in the teeth for all that help?
You're a real piece of work.
Let see so far today you've repeorted WW and Suzanne to Topix and now are going to try getting WW in more trouble by forwarding her posts to the PD. Unbelievable and quite disturbing!!!
It sure makes me wonder what your real agenda is.

The real agenda is for WW to say these are opinions as opposed to facts? If she has been in trouble before, it is none of my doing, but likely her words.

I am not kicking her in the teeth, yes but I have not sat in my arm chair idle for 5 years either looking for Maura, although not physical and no access to information, it is not nothing and at the end of the day, likely I have spent as much time as anyone looking for Maura. So your point???

peripeteia wrote:

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W.
No this forum is a joke, and allot of rude and uncalled for remarks, like yourself, and people state things as fact and do not explain themselves.
When you state things as fact in a criminal investigation, especially when the family is suing for facts,because they have been denied information, it is what it is???
I have never reported anyone or complained to Moderators about anyone, but you know it just has gone to far. Out in left field.
Yes I have asked people to come forward with information, and I do not believe for a minute that it should be posted here, because I have seen how people are treated who bring forth information, and I certainly did not give RO a hard time and I asked her to come forward, so you are talking about someone else here other than myself.
All information should be given to the police and not posted here.
However, when you state certain things as fact unknown to others, and it appears to come from the police and during a criminal investigation, this goes beyond the beyond.
I would gladly search, and your other comments, well you do that from time to time, go off a bit at the mouth with disparaging remarks, sorry you do do that, to me and others because you disagree. And I believe you said you were Not posting a number of times before.
What you are not going to post anymore because I DEMAND someone to explain themselves when they state things are fact in a criminal investigation? Humm?!
I as a citizen demand an explanation of someone who states publically things are facts, and you are no longer going to help the missing/murdered, ya that makes allot of sense to me, not an iota.
Well that is too bad, because you are needed. White Wash is needed?
White Wash has the opportunity to reframe her remarks, as well as Suzanne.
No doubt in my mind we will hear from you again, and keep up your work looking for the missing.

Peri Wrote:***
I as a citizen demand an explanation of someone who states publically things are facts***
When did you become a citizen? Why do you think you have the right to demand anything when you live in a different country?
Oh and don't bet any money that I will keep posting here after today. I've truly had enough BS to last me a lifetime. It's time to enjoy another summer here in the White Mountains.

awaiting a list of FACTS established by FIT over a period of 5 years, as recently requested by a poster.
silence. none shall hold their breaths in anticipation.

in the interim...a similar list of factual information was requested of WW. she graciously replied. the response from FIT was hostile, of course.

such is the dysfunction.

the arrogance in designating oneself to be a psychic (or whatever) with crucial fact-finding abilities to solve cases of the murdered and missing surely reaches well beyond the accusation of my being a 'moderator'. neither is the truth; both are delusional beliefs, IMO.

Have at it!

My interview was cleared NHSP
take anything YOU WANT FROM MY ARTICLE
and QUESTION IT all you friggin want!
THAT IS WHAT I AM CLAIMING TO BE FACT!!

I would also like to point out may take a while
for some to get back to you!

Live is far more important that ramblings!

Time to LIVE LOVE AND LAUGH!

WOODSVILLE, N.H.-- New Hampshire State Police said the police chief in Haverhill was hurt when he was struck by a pickup truck as he was riding a motorcycle.

The crash happened on Route 10 in Woodsville on Thursday afternoon.

Police said Morton Michelson, 66, of Woodsville, was traveling north on Route 10 when he made a left turn into the oncoming path of the motorcycle.

Jeffery Williams, 46, who was off-duty at the time, suffered serious injuries and was taken to Dartmouth Hitchcock Hospital.

Michelson suffered minor injuries.

The crash is still under investigation.

Let also explain this very clearly TO YOU!

It's my choice I live "in the middle of no where"
what I see and heard first hand was RELAYED TO THE MURRAYS MS. RAMBLING RUN MY MOUTH not my FAULT THEY PICK OR CHOOSE WHAT THEY WANT!

Why can't you GET THAT?

That family knows MORE THAN EVEN YOU CAN DREAM OF!

LOBBY AWAY!

peripeteia wrote:

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It is not a threat but challenge for you to explain your so called FACTS. No threat but fact, I will be writing to police and ask how you know these things to be fact and will forward a copy of the post.
Trouble is you throw around things that are so called facts and no sources. Some of what you say is fact, but unless you are willing to prove what you say, you should not state it as fact.
No offense meant, you have done some great work, and take great pictures, but unless you say I feel, I think, I believe but to state things as fact in a criminal investigation, you need to stand up and be counted, and answer how you know these to be fact because the only source is the police who could state some of the things you state as fact.
And you state things that no one else states to be fact
You still not have answered the questions, or explained your so called facts, nice try at diversion, but I won't let it go since the DA has stated that no more information will be released as this on going investigation.

White Wash wrote:

Let also explain this very clearly TO YOU!
It's my choice I live "in the middle of no where"
what I see and heard first hand was RELAYED TO THE MURRAYS MS. RAMBLING RUN MY MOUTH not my FAULT THEY PICK OR CHOOSE WHAT THEY WANT!
Why can't you GET THAT?
That family knows MORE THAN EVEN YOU CAN DREAM OF!
LOBBY AWAY!
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How do you, a public person just like all of us on here, know that the family "knows MORE THAN EVEN YOU CAN DREAM OF"? I wish you would admit you have been privy to information that the regular public does not know. Many of your posts more than insinuate this. And it is almost as if you use this against people.

What do you think the PI's have told the family?

What do you think the LE have told the family
seriously I sat and listen to what Chief Williams
has dealt with the family!

I personally have forward imformation on to the Family that was released to the forums!

I personally know others who have forward information on the the family who hasn't informed you!

What part doesn't add up in the FACT THEY KNOW MORE THAN YOU THINK THEY DO?

GOOD DAY TO ALL!

Sara wrote:

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How do you, a public person just like all of us on here, know that the family "knows MORE THAN EVEN YOU CAN DREAM OF"? I wish you would admit you have been privy to information that the regular public does not know. Many of your posts more than insinuate this. And it is almost as if you use this against people.

Benjamin Franklyne wrote:

I heard things.

0_o

What you talkin bout, Willis?

OOPS my bad WASN'T RELEASED TO THE FORUM!

Seriously Lady Gray has information you don't have right Det. Col.

But one less source now!

Enjoy!

Sara wrote:

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How do you, a public person just like all of us on here, know that the family "knows MORE THAN EVEN YOU CAN DREAM OF"? I wish you would admit you have been privy to information that the regular public does not know. Many of your posts more than insinuate this. And it is almost as if you use this against people.

White Wash wrote:

What do you think the PI's have told the family?
What do you think the LE have told the family
seriously I sat and listen to what Chief Williams
has dealt with the family!
I personally have forward imformation on to the Family that was released to the forums!
I personally know others who have forward information on the the family who hasn't informed you!
What part doesn't add up in the FACT THEY KNOW MORE THAN YOU THINK THEY DO?
GOOD DAY TO ALL!
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I think you misunderstood my question. I certainly believe that the family AND LE knows more than we could dream of, as they should. What I am concerned about is how YOU KNOW so much as you ARE NOT family OR LE.

Sara wrote:

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How do you, a public person just like all of us on here, know that the family "knows MORE THAN EVEN YOU CAN DREAM OF"? I wish you would admit you have been privy to information that the regular public does not know. Many of your posts more than insinuate this. And it is almost as if you use this against people.

Even if she doesn't know any of what the family knows, she can probably surmise, from her association with LE--on both a professional and personal basis, as they are her friends and neighbours--that the family knows more than they publicly state.

I've said the same thing numerous times. The family knows more than we, the public, knows. Of course they do. And that's as it should be. Can I state that as a "fact"? Not without contradicting myself, because then I would know what it is that I don't know (if you can follow that). But I CAN state that this is the way investigations work.

Does the family know everything they have a right to know? They don't believe so. Do I believe so? I can't form an opinion (see above about knowing and not-knowing at the same time.)

BTW, did it perhaps escape people's notice that White Wash posted that Haverhill's police chief was in a serious MV accident over the weekend? The man is, at the very least, a work-related colleague in the loosest sense, in that journalists (both written and photo) have contact with the police on a regular basis. She also knows him personally, as she's interviewed him, spoken with him, lives in the same small town as he--and for all I know they're friends and she cares about the man very much on a personal level.

In short, White Wash is having a shitty day and perhaps we could all give her a little bit of breathing room? This may not be the best time to try to discuss things with her.

Wowzer wrote:

<quoted text>When did you become a citizen? Why do you think you have the right to demand anything when you live in a different country?
Oh and don't bet any money that I will keep posting here after today. I've truly had enough BS to last me a lifetime. It's time to enjoy another summer here in the White Mountains.

I was kinda wondering about the citizen comment also but she might be a citizen living out of the country.

Anyway I agree with you Wowzer as I have on much of what you have said. It is time to enjoy the Whites again after having a few teaser hikes. So, I have my first solo camping trip scheduled for four nights in June. I am so looking forward to getting away in my mountains. And with that I have seen and done enough that I suspect if I write on any of these forums again it will be to probably just reiterate things I may have already said until something new comes up, if that happens.

I find it takes far too much of my time and what I say is mostly ignored or deprecated in any event. Still trying to get an answer to that question…….. oh yeah.“Have we finally decided that the damage to the car was not caused by a trailer hitch”? Does anyone remember who stated that as a possibility? I think I do but don’t want to accuse because I am not sure and don’t care enough to research it to be positive. It is really worth an answer though since so much was made of it at the time. That the truck with the trailer hitch forced the accident to happen. Again, no fault of Maura.

I do still wonder at what point Maura would have to take some responsibility instead of everyone around her? What if she told anyone what she was doing? What if she told anyone where she was going? What is she wasn’t drinking? What is she stayed with the car and waited for police?

I see our favorite hemorrhoid has tossed another grenade over the wall on the findMauraMurray forum. Hoping, I guess to stir interest. Good for her. I’m not biting though. She’ll kick the hornets nest and then sit back for a month or two and watch. I suspect with a smile on her face at all she has accomplished.

My wish to all is long life, health and happiness.

And with that, Empire has left the building for a well deserved rest.

See you in the mountains Wowzer and all else that dare venture.

Bill

FireCat wrote:

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Even if she doesn't know any of what the family knows, she can probably surmise, from her association with LE--on both a professional and personal basis, as they are her friends and neighbours--that the family knows more than they publicly state.
I've said the same thing numerous times. The family knows more than we, the public, knows. Of course they do. And that's as it should be. Can I state that as a "fact"? Not without contradicting myself, because then I would know what it is that I don't know (if you can follow that). But I CAN state that this is the way investigations work.
Does the family know everything they have a right to know? They don't believe so. Do I believe so? I can't form an opinion (see above about knowing and not-knowing at the same time.)
BTW, did it perhaps escape people's notice that White Wash posted that Haverhill's police chief was in a serious MV accident over the weekend? The man is, at the very least, a work-related colleague in the loosest sense, in that journalists (both written and photo) have contact with the police on a regular basis. She also knows him personally, as she's interviewed him, spoken with him, lives in the same small town as he--and for all I know they're friends and she cares about the man very much on a personal level.
In short, White Wash is having a shitty day and perhaps we could all give her a little bit of breathing room? This may not be the best time to try to discuss things with her.

The news of the injured Haverhill police chief is posted here on Topix for all to see.
I forwarded it to someone this morning, as well.
Outside/not inside information.