Where is MAURA MURRAY

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quija

Concord, MA

NACOGDOCHES, Texas, Jan. 30 (UPI)-- Greg Wallace, a center on the Stephen F. Austin basketball team, collapsed and died during practice Friday, the school announced.

Wallace collapsed while shooting baskets at the William R. Johnson Coliseum. Emergency personnel transported him to Nacogdoches Memorial Hospital, where he was pronounced dead. The cause of death had yet to be determined.

A transfer from West Point, where he played the last two seasons, the 6-8, 220-pound Wallace was sitting out this season as per NCAA requirements.

Wallace's teammates were en route to Saturday's game with Southeastern Louisiana, but returned to the school. The game was postponed indefinitely.

"Basketball fades into the background when a tragedy such as this occurs," Southeastern Louisiana Coach Billy Kennedy said. "Our thoughts and prayers go out to the young man's family and the entire Stephen F. Austin community."

© 2004 United Press International, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

Dawn

Omaha, NE

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FireCat wrote:

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1. I read it off the computer screen to Helena, but see #3, below.
2. Wrong. Helena's email address is posted on MMM forum.
3. She IS answering her own email request. She was able to log in long enough to read her email but not to respond. Apparently her computer was bitten by whatever trojan was over at Advocate's site.
4. Don't you DARE criticize me for doing what Mason asked me specifically to do. It wasn't enough that he posted it, and now it's not enough that I acted like I was his goddamned secretary and leapt to his order and relayed his message. I'm now getting criticized for that? What in plaid rabbit hell, Dawn? Seriously.

Thank you for making my point EACTLY.......... whew.. makes it easier. Again........ back to my original that you copied above. Let her reply to her own emails without influence. If you had NOT read it to her it would not have been tainted with your bias. you already stated your opinion. So... it would have been relayed with your influence. I don't think he got her email off the forum. I didn't.

Dawn

Omaha, NE

FireCat wrote:

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I know that Project Jason's web site has a lot of media information. Articles and links.
There's also info about McKay somewhere in that 33-page log.

here is the project jason link for maura

http://www.projectjason.org/forums/index.php...

peripeteia

Joined: Mar 26, 2009

Comments: 196

Halifax, N.S.

WTF-the-original wrote:

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Not impossible, but no one in her class would have graduated as an officer yet and because of the strict hierarchy of cadets it would be unlikely she would have known many if any upperclassmen, and certainly not well.
Just my opinion.
Bill

Bill:
Billy was Maura's upper classmate, as well as her sister Julia. Therefore Maura would have known several upper classmates.

Quija: thank you for the information re Greg Wallace, the timing of his death is rather coincidential. I recall a friend of mine died of sudden cardiac death at age 19, and I was profoundly affected and quit school and worked for 2 years instead of immediately going to college. Took up reading and writing poetry which I never did prior, my friend's death was the beginning of understanding "existential reality".

Snowy White

“ Good B chillaxin - TY Scott”

Joined: Jun 12, 2008

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Gloucester, MA

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Mason,

per your quote:

"I’m speaking now in my official capacity as a lawyer and officer of the court."

at post #18705/p. 929

please define "officer of the court" in the context of your warning, along with intending implications for your willingness and obligation to enforce the law and/or compliance by posters on these forums.

thank you.

FireCat

United States

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Mason wrote:

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To use the words loving and father together when referring to Fred Murray is an abomination.
You're a clueless idiot.

Just out of curiosity, how is this different from character assassination, as people have accused long-time MMM posters of dragging other people's names and reputations through the mud?(and if anyone is reading closely, you would do well to notice THAT I DIDN'T POST ANY NAMES)?

That's not a rhetorical question. I'm seriously asking. How is saying that using "loving father" and "Fred Murray" together is an abomination any better than saying "I think the bus driver should be looked at closely" ???(LOOK I STILL DIDN'T USE HIS NAME.)

If anyone could answer that question, I'd be delighted. I will await reply.

peripeteia

Joined: Mar 26, 2009

Comments: 196

Halifax, N.S.

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Mason wrote:

If my daughter were missing, I wouldn't even blink about authorizing my employer to release my time sheets.
The ducks appear only to be interested in puerile chit-chat with each other and surrounding Fred Murray with adoration and an impenetrable barrier that insulates him from responsibility, supplying any information whatsoever or answering any questions, no matter how legitimate reasonable, and relevant they may be.
They march around in lock-step with their heads bobbing up and down quacking here and quacking there like an obedient little harem of ducks. They are so focused on defending their lord and master that they could care less about what happened to Maura.
They serve no useful purpose because their only function is to protect Fred Murray at any cost even if it means Maura will never be found. The do not want to know the truth and will do anything to avoid facing it.
They are as useless as teats on a bull and deserve no respect from anyone.
They haven't contributed anything significant, important, or useful to the search for Maura and they are worse than worthless because they conceal information from and insult anyone who offers to help.
Worse, they feel no shame.
They are individually and collectively failed human beings consumed by their own selfish needs.
I do not include quija, gvmeabrk, wowser, snowy, L4M, suzanne or elsewherebriefly in the sad group I call ducks.

Mason

Fred is not a suspect, other than in your mind, and others who are sorely misguided. Speaking of being consumed, read the words you've spoken and weap, consumed is as consumed does. Soon as I saw the recent post of equally bad taste pointing fingers at Fred, I knew you could not resist returning to victimize the victims, seems you do that well, good defense lawyer technique, but the question then becomes, who is paying you? Because if you are doing this of your own account, weap hard, and long.

peripeteia

Joined: Mar 26, 2009

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Halifax, N.S.

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Mason wrote:

Sophie,
I'm not trying to be mean. Maybe my use of the term "red herring" is causing confusion. Sometimes it means false information. Let's take a quick look at
the red pickup truck as an example.
The red pickup truck on BHR with the driver in the woods was parked beside the road one mile from the Rte 112 intersection. This is as far from the accident as the Stage Stop convenience store.
We do not know the name of the witness and we do not know if the witness saw the truck there on the same day Maura disappeared.
We have not been provided with the witness's description of the vehicle other than "red pickup truck."
Columbo is the source of this tip. He said he got it from reading a report prepared by one of the PIs. Therefore, the interview took place a long time after Maura disappeared. He doesn't even know if the red pickup was parked along BHR at the same time of day!
Disagree with me all you want, Sophie, but I don't see any connection between this red pickup truck and the truck RO saw with the small window in back and the wood slats. Therefore, I call it a red herring.
By "red herring," I mean it's irrelevant. How can it be relevant, unless you assume it was the same truck and it was parked there on the same day and time that Maura disappeared? Even then, it would have been a mile from the accident and the scent evidence indicates Maura got into a vehicle on Route 112.
Seriously, I'm not trying to pick on you. I'm asking you a simple question. Please explain why you think the red pickup truck parked on BHR has anything to do with Maura's disappearance.
Don't you have to assume a lot of things to conclude that it was the same truck RO saw and the driver abducted Maura? If Columbo didn't bother to check it out, why should we waste our time considering it. This is all the information we are ever going to have. I wasted hours chasing this thing. I asked Columbo for more information. He ignored me.
I honestly do not understand why you are so angry that I called this a red herring, or waste of our time to consider. I didn't create this false clue. I've directed my anger at Columbo because he inserted it into our discussions. Please explain why you think I have attacked anyone who is trying to figure out what happened to Maura by eliminating false clues and false information.
Do you now understand what I meant? Is anyone still confused? Let's settle this once and for all so that we can move on.
Red Herring = False Clue.

false clue in YOUR mind, we cannot settle the red truck clue, the truck passed the SSS by 30 minutes, this gives opportunity to pick up Maura, stage an accident, caused the accident.

gvmeabrk

Weare, NH

Dawn wrote:

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here is the project jason link for maura
http://www.projectjason.org/forums/index.php...

Dawn, thank you for posting the Project Jason link. I have trouble finding what I want on that site.

peripeteia

Joined: Mar 26, 2009

Comments: 196

Halifax, N.S.

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WHITE WASH wrote:

IYO she didn't run off!
There is a thread that clearly disputes your claim of her living very happily in
Canada!
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Well anyone can say anything on the internet where there is no moderator, or anyone to keep fact from fiction, what you are referring to is pure fiction.

JM to the best of my recollection stated the Saturn hit the snowbank, and back up parallel to the road. Perhaps the person who told you JM said the car hit the trees was in error. You had JM not being at home at all, or at least repeated something you knew not to be so.

peripeteia

Joined: Mar 26, 2009

Comments: 196

Halifax, N.S.

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footprints: it was reported that there was only one set of footprints leading to the back of the car, there were not foot prints noted on Sgt. S accident report, and in a comment in the media, it was reported there were no footprints.

The SBD alleges Maura squeezed out of the driver's door up against the snowbank, and he spoke to her over the hood, 15 feet away. No footprints would appear on the road, as allegedly it was clear of snow. There are also reports of footprints behind JM's house.

It is the first I hear of footprints heading east.

If Sgt. S headed down BHR to search for Maura, after he ran the plates, and had the information from the SBD that he was looking for a female, and not a male as FW reported, then obviously the RED TRUCK was not parked on the BHR at that time, because surely he would have stopped an investigated a truck that close to the accident scene. I have not heard it mentioned before that he headed down the BHR, I read where he headed West.

What is the source of the information that Sgt. S headed down BHR, and what time did he head this way. Who was at the scene while Sgt. S left the scene to go searching, and how long was he gone.
Was Trooper M at the scene. Was Sgt. C. left at the scene.

Was S

Mason

Paducah, KY

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peripeteia wrote:

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Mason
Fred is not a suspect, other than in your mind, and others who are sorely misguided. Speaking of being consumed, read the words you've spoken and weap, consumed is as consumed does. Soon as I saw the recent post of equally bad taste pointing fingers at Fred, I knew you could not resist returning to victimize the victims, seems you do that well, good defense lawyer technique, but the question then becomes, who is paying you? Because if you are doing this of your own account, weap hard, and long.

Mind your own business and stay the Hell out of mine.

OH MY

Saint Johnsbury, VT

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gvmeabrk wrote:

OH MY< Did you post the McKay ,motel, post? Not accusing, just asking. Do you have ANY info on this?

No I didn't post on that McKay rented a room.

OH MY

Saint Johnsbury, VT

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Mason wrote:

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To use the words loving and father together when referring to Fred Murray is an abomination.
You're a clueless idiot.

hahaha ok

gvmeabrk

Weare, NH

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OH MY wrote:

<quoted text>No I didn't post on that McKay rented a room.

Thank You OH MY, I did post further down I made a mistake. Sorry. But, did yoyu ever hear if this? also, see the post regarding the post of the motel with a bear room. What Hotel was this and the locking and ublocking of locks. What is this ad to who do you refer? Thanks gvmeabrk

gvmeabrk

Weare, NH

wow. my spelling, etc. I must be tired LOL

Benjamin Franklyne

Joined: Oct 16, 2008

Comments: 471

Modesto, CA

gvmeabrk wrote:

wow. my spelling, etc. I must be tired LOL

Well its better then mine, even if you are tired.

peripeteia

Joined: Mar 26, 2009

Comments: 196

Halifax, N.S.

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Mason wrote:

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Mind your own business and stay the Hell out of mine.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander,
you should take your own advise, and stay the heck out of Fred's.

You have stated things in public that are beneath
comment, and should you be allowed to run amuk? No
is the quick answer.

Many here can't and won't let that happen.

You are obviously in need of professional help, but I too know that you will not seek the help you need as you are blinded by your own misconscrewed self image and loathings. It is obvious your professional image has been built on a house of cards, house of grass as we say in gaelic, and it has come down about you. Find someone else to pick on, find some other case to solve; as far as you solving this case, this God image is reserved for police, which is what we pay them for, and hold them accountable, and accept their vow of secrecy, it is for them to know. Not you, not me, not anyone here.

I'm wondering at your words, which speak volumes; how many innocent people you have harmed and how many evil people you have protected, a staggering and distrubing thought; Jesus, Mary and Joseph protect us from the LIKES!

I don't need to go anywhere to find hell, it is right here, right now, "No Exit".

peripeteia

Joined: Mar 26, 2009

Comments: 196

Halifax, N.S.

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GMB:

In defense of MacKay, I have never heard it mentioned that he rented a hotel room, the report in the Grafton Log mentioned as quoted here, he was off at the motel. He was on duty,it seems unlikely he rented a motel room. If he did which is questionable, this likely has nothing to do with Maura.

As far as a creepy motel, there are no lack of these in the world, and have heard nothing regarding the Bear Room and mysterious unlocking door.

I believe, Fred, family, friends, PI's have visited most motels, hotels and hostels in the area to check and see if Maura rented a room.

quija

Concord, MA

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1. I thought about how I'd feel if people discussed whether I had an inappropriate physical relationship with a family member. I realized I would not mind a discussion of it. When it is not true, the mention of it is neither toxic nor verboten. JMHO.

2. Looking back at the night of Maura's emotional breakdown, Feb. 6 around 1AM, and finally, actually READING the articles I posted about Greg Wallace, I noticed that his funeral set for Friday, Feb. 6, 2004. So.... it's a long shot, but Maura might have known him (without necessarily speaking about him to her family...) and might have gotten the news of his funeral the night she broke down.

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